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Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:43 pm to
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:43 pm to
I prefer the condors/syn. strangles. But if the technicals don’t line up, I go with credit spreads (put or call). Widths are typically 30 or so points wide. The protective wings are still just cheap, junk options I use to reduce my “buying power reduction”.
Posted by LSUTIGERS74
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
245 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:33 pm to
quote:

How are you doing with 0 DTEs?


They are definitely, as someone put it, like holding a hand grenade. Beginning December and 1st week in January got absolutely destroyed, once because I learned a valuable lesson that just accepting the loss of the spread is much better rather than rolling up to a larger spread which can get out of control. Especially when market goes on multi day run up. January hit was because I moved deltas up and market got out of std, dev. range. Lately playing around .16 deltas very late morning in NDX as credits are higher.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26590 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:05 am to
Agree with you totally. Taking a defined loss is fine and necessary. Otherwise you can end up losing thousands on what was a $100 credit
Posted by LSUTIGERS74
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
245 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:31 am to
Yes chasing a small credit can be very costly. When I first started 0 DTE's I made the big mistake of presuming my max risk wasn't the full spread (i.e. 5 or 10 wide x 100) but rather it could be managed by rolling for credit and eventually expiring worthless, however as I learned the hard way this is not as easy as "how to video's" would make it seem because have to take the roll early enough to get a decent credit or near zero debit and before you know it can snowball into a larger strike width for same premium. After my big loss in the 1st week of December (where I made some novice mistakes like clicking the wrong expiration date and rolling with wide strike - 15 or 20 plus bull run) I started trading positions assuming I would not roll and accept the loss if it moved outside that range. This happened at end of 1st week of Jan and was due to getting very aggressive on deltas late day and market moving in last hour.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26590 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:35 am to
Makes sense. Are you taking narrow strikes now? Agree on the how to videos, the rolling just does not work in practice for these
Posted by LSUTIGERS74
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
245 posts
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

Are you taking narrow strikes now?


Yes, I am taking normally 5 wide in SPX and 10 wide on NDX (like NDX b/c premiums are a bit higher but have to deal with more intraday price movement).

Today is going to be one of those days were I take a small loss if SPX does come back down late day.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1670 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:51 am to
This is going to be my favorite thread in all of tiger land and favorite board.

I purchased IRBT when they announced that the EU would try to stop the purchase by AMZN. I got the at 16.55 and sold a call for $350. Total cost to own it for selling calls, $1305.

Enter a PMCC with TSLA last week too. My short is in the profit by 20%.

Will sell a call on AMZN this week on an up day. Premiums are higher due to earnings date. Will look at a 9 to 15 delta point.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 11:58 am
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26590 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:04 am to
Anyone playing the NFLX earnings after the bell? I might sell some way otm put spreads
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1670 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:36 am to
quote:

I purchased IRBT when they announced that the EU would try to stop the purchase by AMZN. I got the at 16.55 and sold a call for $350. Total cost to own it for selling calls, $1305.



An update. IRBT is now up to $18.90. However, I know alot of you do PUTS. So I checked and the premiums are something you guys may want to look at.

The 10 strike put is .50 The 15 strike is 2.00.

Posted by Lake08
Member since Jun 2023
615 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 12:12 pm to
Just sold 8 call contracts. Nice premiums on those bad boys
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26590 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 12:32 pm to
Did you buy any junk calls to define risk?
Posted by Lake08
Member since Jun 2023
615 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:38 pm to
No I wrote CC’s
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4182 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:38 pm to
If you don’t mind me asking, what are your strikes and expirations?
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26590 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:30 am to
I ended up selling the 410/400 put spreads on NFLX. No sweat
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1670 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:28 am to
I never opened the call spread I was eyeing.

I thought the IRBT puts were better for me.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1670 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:24 am to
In on TSLA call spread. March long at the 210 strike and fridays 220 strike.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26590 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:33 am to
Nice trade of IRBT
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1670 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:25 pm to
I could not believe the premiums that it still has. And if the EU doesn't block AMZN like they are threatening, the stock will go right back up.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4182 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

I ended up selling the 410/400 put spreads on NFLX. No sweat


You should be ashamed of yourself. Here I was today sweating like Patrick Ewing in the 4th quarter vs. Michael Jordan while the S&P500 was toying with my 4910 0DTE short calls - the intraday top was 4903.68. But I was then able to slap on 4855 short puts to even the trade out.

Seriously though, that NFLX trade was a good one. I didn't get that one. But in an investment account, I went with 1/26 short puts on TSLA at 177.50 and 175 strikes. Still have some short puts on CBOE (180 strike) and XOM (93 strike) expiring this Friday. With the VIX at least back above 13, next week will hopefully be better hunting during earnings season.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26590 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 4:22 pm to
The EU honestly fricking sucks. They collectively innovate nothing, and regulate everything
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