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re: Options Trading Thread
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:56 pm to dragginass
Posted on 8/10/23 at 9:56 pm to dragginass
Exact same answer I’d have given.
You can learn just as much with one or two lot trades… without blowing your account up. And defined risk trades are the best way to manage the risk/reward as you develop a trading plan that works for your style of trading.
You can learn just as much with one or two lot trades… without blowing your account up. And defined risk trades are the best way to manage the risk/reward as you develop a trading plan that works for your style of trading.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 9:07 am to Jag_Warrior
Just popping in to say the NFLX puts at .05 Delta (Strike 392.5) expiring next week payin $50 The .02 delta (382.5) is paying $25.
As soon as Jag and the others can do a detailed explanation or example on how you guys would play this, I'm going to give it a go. Are you buying put(s) way out that's in the money say 90 days and selling puts weekly?
As soon as Jag and the others can do a detailed explanation or example on how you guys would play this, I'm going to give it a go. Are you buying put(s) way out that's in the money say 90 days and selling puts weekly?
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:03 pm to dragginass
Thanks for the explanations! I watched a few put spread videos this morning to get a better understanding of the trade cash dynamics, just thru me off when I was looking at trades yesterday and lot of one had a 6 figure buying power effect. Now understand the width minus the premium is the max loss.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 2:55 pm to LSUTIGERS74
I’m a total rookie when it comes to options but did a bunch of reading 2 weeks ago looking at ways I could play what I expected to be an earnings bloodbath in my industry. The first one to drop was last week ONEW which missed their guidance and guided lower on the year dropped over 25% in a day. I was traveling and didn’t trade any options just not knowing that I could keep a close eye on it.
I expect some other players to have similar bad numbers in the coming weeks. Curious what the right play is from those with experience on some of these guys that are likely going to see big drops. MBUU for instance reported blow out last year but guided lower and dropped 30+%. I expect this months report will be far worse than that. Is the play to simply buy some puts that will be in the money or is there a more sophisticated play.
I expect some other players to have similar bad numbers in the coming weeks. Curious what the right play is from those with experience on some of these guys that are likely going to see big drops. MBUU for instance reported blow out last year but guided lower and dropped 30+%. I expect this months report will be far worse than that. Is the play to simply buy some puts that will be in the money or is there a more sophisticated play.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 4:16 pm to tes fou
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I expect some other players to have similar bad numbers in the coming weeks.
What stock are you wanting to use?
Posted on 8/11/23 at 6:27 pm to frogtown
MBUU and MCFT I don’t expect marine max to get hammered as bad because they diversified a lot into very high end yachting and marinas.
I think both MBUU and MCFT will do ok on their Q4 number because they end it with model year in June but they will be guiding way down because the industry is getting hammered by interest rates and the general hangover associated with huge demand and price increases during the past 2 years. Biden economy is not good for boats/rv’s or powersports business. I do not have any business relationship or insider knowledge with any of these guys just understand the industry.
I think both MBUU and MCFT will do ok on their Q4 number because they end it with model year in June but they will be guiding way down because the industry is getting hammered by interest rates and the general hangover associated with huge demand and price increases during the past 2 years. Biden economy is not good for boats/rv’s or powersports business. I do not have any business relationship or insider knowledge with any of these guys just understand the industry.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 7:26 pm to tes fou
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MBUU, MCFT
Both those names are thinly traded as far as options. I looked at MBUU.
Earnings are the last week in August.
I would do the Sept 15 60/55 put spread. If MBUU is below 55 at September expiration you would get about a 100% return.
Or
You could do the 55/50 put spread. If MBUU is below 50 at September expiration you would get a 300% return.
IMO I would do the 60/55. That is a small move to get 100% return.
If you want me to go in further detail on how this works let me know.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 8/14/23 at 10:25 am to Jag_Warrior
Anyone looking at SE for earnings call tomorrow morning? IV up. Took a small SP credit at 47/38 @ .63
Posted on 8/14/23 at 11:45 am to LSUTIGERS74
Hmmm. I might follow you on that. Just don't want to get stuck holding SE so I may play even lower short strike.
Current positions for me are short puts/spreads on TSLA, PARA, ASML, and AMD all either 8/18 or 8/25
Current positions for me are short puts/spreads on TSLA, PARA, ASML, and AMD all either 8/18 or 8/25
Posted on 8/14/23 at 11:46 am to LSUTIGERS74
I have been. I wanted to do a pmcc on it.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 12:56 pm to LSUtoOmaha
Will check out a few of those! I agree not too keen on getting assigned SE.
I took MNDY on Friday afternoon for earnings call this morning so far so good, 8/11 SP 140/135 @ 1.15 also started an SPX 0DTE for the 1st time to see how that goes.
JjDoc - I could be wrong but since SE has high IV going into earning call tomorrow, the PMCC may not be the best play since that is a typically a low IV environment play but maybe I am missing something?
I took MNDY on Friday afternoon for earnings call this morning so far so good, 8/11 SP 140/135 @ 1.15 also started an SPX 0DTE for the 1st time to see how that goes.
JjDoc - I could be wrong but since SE has high IV going into earning call tomorrow, the PMCC may not be the best play since that is a typically a low IV environment play but maybe I am missing something?
Posted on 8/14/23 at 5:43 pm to LSUTIGERS74
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JjDoc - I could be wrong but since SE has high IV going into earning call tomorrow, the PMCC may not be the best play since that is a typically a low IV environment play but maybe I am missing something?
I have not pulled the trigger yet. But IF I do one it will be a 2024 long. I also like to keep my exposure to about 50%. I'm there right now.
Posted on 8/14/23 at 7:22 pm to Jjdoc
apologies, I was thinking near term and can see how a pmcc long term could be a good option with a 24’ ITM
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:10 am to Jjdoc
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Just popping in to say the NFLX puts at .05 Delta (Strike 392.5) expiring next week payin $50 The .02 delta (382.5) is paying $25.
As soon as Jag and the others can do a detailed explanation or example on how you guys would play this, I'm going to give it a go. Are you buying put(s) way out that's in the money say 90 days and selling puts weekly?
I’m mostly focused on SPX 0-1 DTE trades these days. But it looks like if you went short the NFLX 8/18 392.5 strike puts with a .50 credit, you’re already up about 60%.
I’d keep an eye on the VIX and the IV and percentile on individual equities if I was looking at a longer term options play though. With NFLX, the IV is currently only 25.28 and (big one) the IV percentile is a measly 3% - so very good chance that IV could expand. Just other things to watch as a strategy is being discussed.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:17 am to Jag_Warrior
Question:
So my SE SPV didn't go as planned on the 18 Aug 47/38, what would your opinion be on how to best manage the vertical put credit spread? SE trading around ~42 currently. I see several ways, (1) I could close order and take 5.15 debit (about 61% of max loss if I let it ride till exp) (2) I could roll it to 25 Aug exp and take .02 credit and see if the stock gaps up in next 8 days DTE (3) See if gaps up above 47 by Friday.
I am leaning towards rolling (2)
So my SE SPV didn't go as planned on the 18 Aug 47/38, what would your opinion be on how to best manage the vertical put credit spread? SE trading around ~42 currently. I see several ways, (1) I could close order and take 5.15 debit (about 61% of max loss if I let it ride till exp) (2) I could roll it to 25 Aug exp and take .02 credit and see if the stock gaps up in next 8 days DTE (3) See if gaps up above 47 by Friday.
I am leaning towards rolling (2)
Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:37 am to LSUTIGERS74
1) or 2) are probably your best options (no pun intended), since you’re about $6 in the money as I type this. Realize that you could be assigned at any time prior to expiration. If you can roll for a credit, maybe going out further than 8/25, in hopes that the underlying is becoming oversold (but I don’t have an opinion on that since I don’t follow this stock) and will have at least a dead cat bounce, that’s a possibility.
But right now, it’s either roll for a credit, take the loss… or you could take the assignment and sell calls against it… IF it’s a stock you’d be content to hold for awhile.
But right now, it’s either roll for a credit, take the loss… or you could take the assignment and sell calls against it… IF it’s a stock you’d be content to hold for awhile.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 9:53 am to Jag_Warrior
How are we looking on WMT?
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:00 am to Jag_Warrior
Thanks for input Jag. Think I will eventually roll it out but may wait the day to see if it gets a bounce and take a better credit (or it goes the other way and I take assignment and will just sell CC's for a bit).
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:07 am to Jjdoc
WMT for short term I will hold off until tomorrow after TGT earnings. I am long on WMT in general but short on TGT. Will probably take a weekly SVP on TGT later this afternoon, currently expected +/- 9.18 with earnings call in AM tomorrow.
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:14 am to Jjdoc
On WMT I’m looking at 8-10 delta naked short puts for 8/18 expiry… whatever strike that gives before the close tomorrow afternoon - since they report before the bell on Thursday.
Right now that delta is hovering around the 149 strike (expected move now is +/- 6.18) with a .30 credit. WMT is trading about 159.40 now. IV is currently only 24 but the IV percentile is 50 (looking for an IV spike by tomorrow).
This one is for a tax advantaged investment account (not my trading account), and I’d be content to take shares of Walmart in the low 150s, so I might take the delta up to 12 or so and raise the short strike (and credit received).
Right now that delta is hovering around the 149 strike (expected move now is +/- 6.18) with a .30 credit. WMT is trading about 159.40 now. IV is currently only 24 but the IV percentile is 50 (looking for an IV spike by tomorrow).
This one is for a tax advantaged investment account (not my trading account), and I’d be content to take shares of Walmart in the low 150s, so I might take the delta up to 12 or so and raise the short strike (and credit received).
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