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Posted on 1/21/23 at 5:30 am to
Posted by JimMorrison
The Peninsula
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 5:30 am to
quote:

the retraction in the VIX suggests trader complacency, if not “hopium”


It's playing out well so far.

I will say that if VIX settles down in the 16-18 range this year, S&P will break the notorious downtrend line causing lots of traders/investors to pile in long. Meanwhile, S&P is range bound because earnings growth won't support prices much higher than 4050.

This could set the stage for a blow up in VIX to 40+ that so many want to see for a capitulation event. The catalyst? Maybe when recession is confirmed, but who knows.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2969 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 12:41 pm to
This week was a big week in options for me. Like a lot of options traders, I had a pretty large (25%) drawdown in my account when I started trading. I promised myself I would not deposit more capital until I worked myself out of the hole. So I went positive this week for the first time since that drawdown. Now I'm looking forward to adding more capital and initiating more/larger positions.

I've had really good results with 3-10day IC on spx/spy. The IV just hasn't been there to go further out.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 5:37 pm to
quote:

I've had really good results with 3-10day IC on spx/spy


Except for earnings season, and a handful of individual equity underlyings that I’ve traded for a long time, I’ve mainly been sticking with shorter dated SPX syn. strangles/ICs as well.


quote:

The IV just hasn't been there to go further out.


I agree. Premiums on the indices just aren’t there right now. You have to get closer to the flame (or take on more risk) to get the same returns we were getting just a few weeks back.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 5:54 pm to
Went in light on some weekly MSFT short puts around 7 delta - 221 strike. IV wasn’t great, but enough to put on a small trade. The stock initially popped up to 252 after earnings came out, but then sunk back down to the 240 level on poor guidance and a larger than expected profit decline. That’s taking the wind out of the S&P futures right now, but we’ll see how it shakes out tomorrow.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

I wanted to report performance on the 0 DTE


This strategy is even more popular than I realized. I just listened to an interview with a trader at the CBOE. He said that roughly 60% of the volume is from 0-1 DTE options.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 6:17 pm to
Managed to sell some jade lizards on TSLA before the close. Looking good there so far. MSFT short puts look very safe. Now just keeping an eye on some 4055c SPX short call verticals that expire tomorrow. Likely sell some naked calls on CRWD tomorrow (which will turn covered after Friday). And my IBM short puts still look safe, although the stock is taking a hit after earnings - but I don’t mind taking shares at 131.

Anybody else doing some earnings plays?
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 6:19 pm
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 6:40 pm to
quote:


Anybody else doing some earnings plays?


I'm watching the IV of a few oil majors. If there's a spike just before earnings I'll try to sell into it. IV still too low to tempt me currently though.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 1/31/23 at 5:14 pm to
EA completely blew through the expected move (+/- 5.88). Still falling like a rock in AH from 128.68 close to 115.40 right now. I haven’t had time to read the earnings report, but it must have been fairly horrible.
Posted by kung fu kenny
Birmingham
Member since Sep 2017
1879 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:59 pm to
What does IF stand for? I am new to this strategy and can’t figure it out. Probably something obvious?
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 4:11 pm to
IF is an “iron fly”… could be an iron condor (a strangle with protective wings) or an iron butterfly (a straddle with protective wings).

You might see me use JL (jade lizard), which is a naked short put combined with a short call vertical.
Posted by kung fu kenny
Birmingham
Member since Sep 2017
1879 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 6:19 pm to
Thanks boss!!
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
9473 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 10:46 am to
My $172.50 and $195 TSLA calls are printing. Sold a $197.50 ghetto call but about to close it and secure my profit. Will sell half of my calls this afternoon and hold the rest for tmrw.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 10:50 am
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2969 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:24 pm to
Meanwhile, in my positions.....

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Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:31 pm to
I know that feeling. Call side of that TSLA jade lizard has lit me up.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21078 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:22 am to
This is a dangerous game indeed.
I bought a few shares of Google from $85-90 not too long ago, so I've been watching the stock.

Well, I caught a dip this morning and made 15% on puts (ex. 2/10) in about two minutes
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21078 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:31 am to
What's new this week?
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:32 pm to
Delta neutral SPX short synthetic strangles (expiring 2/9). Some UNG, URA, AAPL, AMD, EA and BP short calls expiring this week. Probably do something (short weekly strategy of some type) on DIS going into earnings on 2/8. We’ll follow the price and IV action and decide Wednesday afternoon if a jade lizard is appropriate.

Nice play you made on the GOOG puts the other day.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21078 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:39 pm to
Thanks, and best of luck. Maybe in a decade or two I’ll learn your terminology. For now I’m just in standard calls and puts. Mostly QQQ.

7-10 days out seems appropriate for my risk tolerance.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:10 pm to
Dive deep into some TastyTrade YouTube videos and you’ll soon be suggesting strategies for me.

Basically I’m just selling iron condors on SPX that look a bit like strangles - using low delta, (roughly) equally spaced short puts and calls, then buying VERY wide long wings (calls and puts) for a net credit. Doing actual strangles on SPX would be VERY capital intensive.

A jade lizard is just a naked short put combined with a short call spread.

Trading short options on QQQ is attractive because the IV (premium) tends to be relatively good.

Apart from these earnings trades on individual equities, the low VIX has sucked the premium out of the market lately.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11621 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:29 pm to
Read tSecond Leg Down. Buying premium with unlimited risk is a good way to get smoked in the long run. It’s a good primer on different strategies and should hit close to home with the current market conditions.
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