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re: optimizing crypto-currency money supply

Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:34 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:34 pm to
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Are decentralized currencies inherently scams, IYO
No.
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Does there necessarily have to be a centralized body, be it the fedgov or otherwise, for a currency to be legit?
No.

I answered your questions, so please answer my two questions which I asked you a few posts earlier.
Posted by gizmoflak
Member since May 2007
11858 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:52 pm to
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What makes you think [capitalism and free markets] are not applicable to currencies?

I think they ought to be. Others with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo may disagree.


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Restated, what makes you think that currencies strictly lie within the domain and control of the state?


Well, the Constitution kinda hints at it:

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The Congress shall have Power . . . To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135044 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:26 pm to
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I think they ought to be.
That's not what I asked you. Besides they already are, so you get your wish.
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Well, the Constitution kinda hints at it:

There is nothing in the constutution or any statute which prohibits the use of currencies other than the US dollar within the US.

There have been private currencies in use many times in the US. There has been a private currency used in New England for a couple of decades, mainly in New Hampshire, I believe.

Don't buy the ignorant, paranoid ravings of faux anarchists who claim the government will arrest or use force against Americans just for using a currency other than the dollar. It's a lie.

The only stipulations are the currency cannot be called "dollars" (to avoid confusing people that the currency is backed by the US government) and the currency itself cannot resemble dollars which would be considered counterfeiting.

Other than that people are free to use anything they want to use as a currency, or even to use physical goods for bartering if they want to. They still must comply with tax laws for any profits they make, but that is a tax issue, not a currency issue.

So what is your point again?

Posted by gizmoflak
Member since May 2007
11858 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:46 pm to
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That's not what I asked you. Besides they already are, so you get your wish.

The real test will be when there is a serious threat to the primacy of the dollar by a private currency. Fedgov will undoubtedly intervene.

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There is nothing in the constutution or any statute which prohibits the use of currencies other than the US dollar within the US.

I haven't studied up on the con law issue, but I'd imagine the "regulate foreign coin" phrase provides enough ammo for fedgov to quash all comers, if so desired.

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There have been private currencies in use many times in the US. There has been a private currency used in New England for a couple of decades, mainly in New Hampshire, I believe.

The only real threat to the dollar occurred during the Civil War. But the dismantling of the confederate dollar was wrapped up in other issues.

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Don't buy the ignorant, paranoid ravings of faux anarchists who claim the government will arrest or use force against Americans just for using a currency other than the dollar. It's a lie.

You're right, joe-blow bitcoiner won't be arrested. But the major players will be hammered in an effort to bring down the entire system. Kinda like how they went after payment processors and online gambling sites rather than joe-blow online poker players back in April 2011

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The only stipulations are the currency cannot be called "dollars" (to avoid confusing people that the currency is backed by the US government) and the currency itself cannot resemble dollars which would be considered counterfeiting.

Link?

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Other than that people are free to use anything they want to use as a currency

yes, but only dollars are "legal tender"
. . . and I'm not so sure fedgov can't dismantle any other private currency whenever it wants (but I could be wrong)
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or even to use physical goods for bartering if they want to.

of course

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They still must comply with tax laws for any profits they make, but that is a tax issue, not a currency issue.

agreed

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So what is your point again?

My point is this: What is the best way to optimize a crypto-currency money supply?
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:48 pm to
It just hit me. Bitcoins are nothing more than scrip. LINK
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135044 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 6:46 am to
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My point is this: What is the best way to optimize a crypto-currency money supply?

Don't know, don't care.

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but only dollars are "legal tender"
So what? Do you know what 'legal tender' means? I'm pretty sure you don't since you used it in an inapplicable sense in your reply to my comment about anyone can use any currency they wish to use in the U.S.

As to the rest of your reply, as usual, these bitcoin threads on the Money Board turn into a purely political discussion.

I'll continue with you on the Poli Board if you wish. I refuse to contribute to polluting this board with politics.
Posted by WikiTiger
Member since Sep 2007
41055 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 8:36 am to
it's a shame your interesting thread got hijacked by the money board's biggest troll
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135044 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 9:08 am to
Your definition of a troll is any poster who disagrees with you and uses facts and figures to prove you wrong.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
65456 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 9:31 am to
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Your definition of a troll is any poster who disagrees with you and uses facts and figures to prove you wrong.


I view you as a crusader for the good. And buyer of my steak dinner.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135044 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 9:56 am to


Ruth's Chris, right?
Posted by gizmoflak
Member since May 2007
11858 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:02 am to
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it's a shame your interesting thread got hijacked by the money board's biggest troll



He's an outstanding troll. One of the best.
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