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re: Official CryptoTalk Thread

Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:49 pm to
ETH working on its 8th straight week in the green against BTC
Posted by 21JumpStreet
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:49 pm to
I can change that by moving some of my btc to eth. Don't tempt me
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by BeepNode
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:08 pm to
Right but these smart contracts are not that attractive for most if the fees are that high.

Technology is best adopted when it focuses on solving problems, rather than finding ways to apply a solution.

Fiat is a huge problem, imo.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:09 pm to
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I think the only thing we disagree on is the value of a particular coin meaning anything on its own. The market value depends on many things, and something costing $.04 vs $1 is a function of several factors. Two coins can have similar market caps but one can be $10 and one can be $.50 per coin. That doesn't make the $.50 coin any less valuable in practice or for investment.


i agree 100%. I agree that in your hypothetical the cost to buy 1 telcoin is equivalent to buying 0.00000078 bitcoin or whatever the ratio is at this time and that those prices say nothing about how good/bad the investment actually is.
but again I was referring to pricing based on pro-usage value narrative which implies several factors not being so flexible to hypothetically equalize 2 coins in such a way.

value of telcoin at 10$ and 0.50$ matters. considering telcoin isn't changing its coin supply (maybe even decreasing via coin burns) or its 0.5% token fee for transactions. say you have 10$ worth of telcoin at either price from same supply. 1 telcoin or 20 telcoin both with 0.5% token charged to buy something worth 10$ in a single transaction. 1 - (1x.005) = 0.995. 20 - (20x.005) = 19.9. at the same supply, sure you are charged the same amount of USD, but its a different % of total telcoin supply. would you rather be giving up larger or smaller % of total coins per transaction especially as coin burns decrease supply and as the price of telcoin grows? it seems like an inverse relation to usage practicality and value as an investment between prices.

also when referring to it as an investment it seems more like pro-SOV than pro-practical usage case value. like you invest in stocks, you buy a jetski to use for shits and giggles.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:11 pm to
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What's your strategy to obtain USDC for instance and then not get KILLED by gas to get over on chain to Blocki or wherever?

Buy on Coinbase and send to the DeFi platform. May cost ~$5 or so.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:15 pm to
WillyWoo with an update today. Sounds like a decent amount of time to stack




This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 2:19 pm
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:19 pm to


the big money is out there especially in bonds and real estate, but like it or not, we need BTC to be considered the SoV in the space.

BTC will continue to propel the rest of market upwards and the speculations on tokens and other defi projects will keep accelerating

IF the flippening with ETH happens or with another coin, all narratives are thrown out the window and the SoV utility is lost for the foreseeable future, so you lose all the bond money, you lose all real estate money, you lose equities, etc

then the market will just be spinning in circles to find the next best thing to replace ETH and so on and so forth.

Posted by Hulkklogan
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:28 pm to
Ah ok, I see what you mean. The old "i spent 10k btc on a pizza in 2012 and now i spent millions on a pizza" problem.

Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:38 pm to
Ain't that the truth. Now with musk saying bitcoin isn't really "decentralized" due to the majority of miners in China is worrisome. Now btc will need more miners to be equally distributed across countries while being green to change the narratives elon put out.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:39 pm to
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Now btc will need more miners to be equally distributed across countries while being green to change the narratives elon put out.


this aint gonna happen
Posted by 21JumpStreet
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:41 pm to
Bitcoin fricked?
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:48 pm to
Elon is is getting dumber with every tweet. He is wrong and that is not how it works.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:59 pm to
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I can change that by moving some of my btc to eth. Don't tempt me


I washed my Jeep Sunday... I know how you feel.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:05 pm to
if the grid was green/renewables then mining or pow wouldn't be an issue. that's why the energy fud is a meme.

of course Bitcoin uses a lot of energy to secure the network. the future is digital/computational so we are going to consume loads of energy moving forward as a society, anyways. let's work on getting a greener grid instead of whining about people using energy, lol.




Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:07 pm to
And every day mining gets more and more efficient.

I do love it when Elon tweets and Chad Saylor dunks on him.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:13 pm to
yea I still can't wrap my mind around elons agenda. like I'm fine with him being concerned about energy or whatever but just a week prior he was agreeing that bitcoin mining would eventually lead to a greener future.

Posted by Lgrnwd
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:16 pm to
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Crypto will not be a good deal for long-term investors if people can't use it for transactions. I think maybe we are missing the point of cryptocurrency.


And it will never be widely used for everyday transactions if the value continues to be so volatile. And its volatility is what gives it such huge money making potential for investors and traders. Take that away and a ton of public interest will be lost.

Also there really is no need for a “digital” currency anyway, as all currencies nowadays are mostly transacted digitally.

Cryptos only hope for longevity is as another form of “store of value” to hedge inflation. But being as it is something you can never physically hold in your hand, that will be a hard sell also.
Posted by CE Tiger
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:18 pm to
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Bitcoins only hope for longevity is as another form of “store of value” to hedge inflation. But being as it is something you can never physically hold in your hand, that will be a hard sell also.



Y’all just keep ignoring DeFi and everything else being built on the blockchain.

BTC is it’s on thing but this space has so much going for it other than Bitcoin
Posted by BeepNode
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:18 pm to
I feel strongly that new coins must always be issued in order to cover transaction costs. This will be easier for the masses to adopt than losing a chunk of your coin to network fees each time you need to buy something. That doesn't seem to be the direction we are going, though and I worry fiat and deep state folks are driving the bus now.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 3:20 pm
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