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NW Mutual Question - Summer Interns, any inside info?

Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:08 pm
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 9:08 pm
I know what the board’s overall opinion is of NWM and I know their schtick with new college grads and what they are expected to do.

A family member of mine might have a summer internship opportunity with them and I was doing some digging for them. What do their internships entail? What are the day to day stuff they have the interns do? I’m assuming it’s different than a college grad going full time with them, but…

Just trying to get a better picture that I can share. Hoping somebody on here has interned there or has some decent info. They’re a freshman this year so the internships are pretty limited since due to age, but they’re a go getter and will find something I’m sure. TIA!
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/15/23 at 10:13 pm to
I can't answer your question.

But I would presume that there would be benefit to that type of internship.

You see different styles of training. Different styles of management. Different styles of organization.
Different styles of work ethic.

There is a lot of value for someone green to see how a very established and very intentional organization handles business.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 5:53 am to
Totally agree with your statement, but I also know what they expect they’re right out of college full time employees and that’s not this person. The selling to your mom, dad, cousin and dog isn’t what they’re after really.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:38 am to
Honestly, you saying that you are doing their research for them tells me your family member needs to stay away from anything sales related.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:32 am to
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Totally agree with your statement, but I also know what they expect they’re right out of college full time employees and that’s not this person.

Everyone needs to learn how to sell.
Everyone needs to learn how to self advocate.
It is a soft skill, and there are very few jobs that never require it.

This may be a safe way (internship) to introduce that soft skill. And the teen could be better for it in future endeavors (business major?)

My oldest just started waiting tables. He is introverted and high anxiety. And he has taken to it like a fish in water. He is building skills that should help him in future endeavors (sound engineering).
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The selling to your mom, dad, cousin and dog isn’t what they’re after really.

I don't know what this quote means.

Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12964 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:34 am to
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The selling to your mom, dad, cousin and dog isn’t what they’re after really.

I don't know what this quote means.


Interns usually try to bring in clients and that's who they go after.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:36 am to
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Honestly, you saying that you are doing their research for them tells me your family member needs to stay away from anything sales related.


I see it as the opposite in terms of an internship. Go at the fears. The teen doesn't need to embrace it forever. But learn what is good sales (relationship building. Win/win propositions). Learn what is bad sales (selling only the positives and misrepresenting negatives. Being negative about competition).

At some point, the teen will need to know how to negotiate. Looking back on the heroes and A-holes is a great way to mimick productive behavior and avoid poor tactics/strategies.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14570 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:39 am to
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They’re a freshman this year so the internships are pretty limited since due to age,


If options are limited I don’t know that it hurts to go with NWM. You really owe it to them educate them going in, so they know what NWM is all about. They should be able to learn from the experience, though, which is very valuable at that age.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:42 am to
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Interns usually try to bring in clients and that's who they go after.

The "isnt" threw me off in the sentence. It sounded even more nefarious than sharing a phone number.

I don't know what NW Mutual interns do.
That sounds like something a new hire would do with the opportunity to commission off the work.
Lesson 1 in internship... know what your information is worth. Lol. Don't do any of that for free.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:54 am to
FWIW family member didn’t ask me to do research. They’re a finance major so I’m trying to help educate them on different career paths since I’m in finance as well. Unfortunately I’m 50 and have been out of the job search game a while now so just trying to do some digging to help advise them better on a career path. They’re also a freshman so I’d say very green as well. Had they been a senior and not doing the research themselves then I’d agree with you.

I just remember a year after graduating I’d have every NW Mutual, Edward Jones etc asking me for appointments only to sell me on whole life and other crap products. That’s not what I would guide this person to do so I’m just trying to make sure they’re intern program isn’t geared towards the same.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8734 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 10:05 am to
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The selling to your mom, dad, cousin and dog isn’t what they’re after really.


Jobs/internships have 3 main factors

1) quality of experience/how it sets you up for your future

2) happiness working the job- this can be derived from great/shitty work life balance, how much you enjoy the actual work, etc.

3) how much you are getting paid

Based on what you‘ve said #1 and #2 probably aren’t going to be great for your family member at northwestern mutual. Not sure exactly what their payment structure is but I’d guess the vast majority of their summer interns probably aren’t making a ton. Decision to do something else with your time seems clear to me. BOL with whatever they end up deciding on
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/16/23 at 5:39 pm to
Where’s the job located? At their corporate office or a local office? If a local office as someone that interviewed with them after college and also knew multiple people that worked for them I can almost 100% guarantee you the main purpose of the internship program is grunt work and contact info for their friends and family. That’s their business model and doing it with interns is cheap as hell.

I think they’ll tell you it’s not like a new hire but in reality it is and without the commission.

Given that, as said, NWM is a solid company and learning from them (good and bad) is likely a great learning experience. They are a solid company and their products are good, but generally expensive.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 6:36 pm to
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They’re a finance major so I’m trying to help educate them on different career paths since I’m in finance as well.


Maybe someone has already asked this and I missed it, but what other finance related summer internships or opportunities are on the table?

If the alternatives involve just working retail (or whatever) to make some money for the next school year, I think this would be a more valuable learning experience - even if it’s not positive in the end. You can learn from less than positive experiences too.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:04 pm to
Looking at some banking internships but nothing in the hopper yet. But I’m in banking and I would not lead her down the banking path particularly on the lending side. Shits for the birds these days lol

Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:39 pm to
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Shits for the birds these days lol


My memories from 30 years ago aren’t so pleasant either.

I’d say that she should get some deeper details about what the internship will involve, and then compare it to other options.
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 7:49 pm to
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My memories from 30 years ago aren’t so pleasant either.


Been in it 25 years plus. Hitting 50 yrs old this year and cannot wait to get out of it. I’m shooting to tap out at 60 and do something else.

It’s changed a lot since 2008. The regulators (and banks themselves) have taken the fun out of banking altogether.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23512 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 8:45 pm to
How can banking be fun?
How can banking go from being fun to not being fun?
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:11 pm to
In Baton Rouge or somewhere else? There are likely some summer sales internships that will offer a more realistic picture of future work. I truthfully know nothing about how NW Mutual operates, but I have worked in sales organizations where we took on summer interns to work on projects and even test out a few cold calls and they had a blast.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13868 posts
Posted on 2/16/23 at 9:28 pm to
As a client 15+ years ago, their best product was own occupation disability insurance. To get this, I had to sit thru the sales pitch of front loaded funds (American Funds) and whole life insurance.

The vibe seemed more sales than fiduciary money management.

After freshman year in college, getting a summer job working construction at the plants for Turner Industries or on the grass crew at the plants would be better for the kid, both financially that summer, as well as for learning life lessons/motivation to stay in school/keep grades up.


Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4649 posts
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:34 am to
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How can banking go from being fun to not being fun?


Banking (commercial) used to be relationship based (truly relationship not just having someone’s phone number) and a hand shake gets a deal done.

The regulators killed the hand shake deals and bankers killed the relationship piece as bankers nowadays jump ship every 3-5 years vs being at the same place 15, 20, 25 years. I can start an entire other thread on why this is, but bottom line is it’s a PITA to switch banks. People will follow a banker around once, but after a second move it really just becomes a pain for the customer to switch banks for the 2nd time in 3-5 years. There are obviously exceptions to all of this
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