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re: Nebius - NBIS - AI Infrastructure Company

Posted on 5/14/25 at 3:15 pm to
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 3:15 pm to
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Just jumped on this wagon at $36. More expensive than most of y’all, but hoping for a longer play.

I bought plenty from $38-48. No sweat. Welcome
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
961 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 3:27 pm to
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"We've delivered an outstanding start to 2025 on multiple fronts. Our strong first quarter financial performance caps a string of milestones including our IPO, our major strategic deal with OpenAI as well as other customer wins, our acquisition of Weights & Biases and many technical achievements," said Michael Intrator, CoreWeave's co-founder and Chief Executive Officer. "Demand for our platform is robust and accelerating as AI leaders seek the highly performant AI cloud infrastructure required for the most advanced applications. We are scaling as fast as possible to capture that demand. The future runs on CoreWeave."
Yahoo finance

Looks like the focus is on the revenue number. They beat expectations by over $100 million. CoreWeave up over $3 AH
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
2753 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 3:55 pm to
Nbis up $2 AH
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21472 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:12 pm to


So the main business is still totally free at these levels. Wow.

(the Clickhouse news last week along with Bezos added a lot of perspective)
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 4:30 pm
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
961 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 5:40 pm to
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Artificial intelligence infrastructure provider CoreWeave
reported better-than-expected revenue on Wednesday in the company’s first earnings release since going public.

CoreWeave also called for faster growth than expected for this year.
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CNBC report on CoreWeave earnings
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 6:01 pm to
How does this play on NBIS?
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 6:37 pm to
I’m riding this one with the rest of you. One of the few of these home runs that seems to have the beef to it.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 6:45 pm to
Coreweave or NBIS?
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:12 pm to
Dumb question as I’ve never sold covered calls… I have 120 shares of NBIS, is this wise to do with only 120 shares? Given the fact that if they got bought, I’d be down to only 20 shares? Or is it something worth doing given the potential profit? I’m not big into the call/put game.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21472 posts
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:14 pm to
It totally depends on your approach.
I wouldn’t say it’s unwise.
It could be a good hedge.
If things don’t go your way and the stock goes down then you pocket the premium and keep the shares.

I’m trying to learn that even if the shares get called away, there’s usually, with patience, an opportunity to get them back. And you can get paid to do that as well, with cash secured puts.
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
2753 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:21 am to
We needed a breather today??
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21472 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:37 am to
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We needed a breather today??

CRWV capex scared dummies.
Just bought 25 more.

People see CRWV debt and spending and just don't understand that NBIS is not in the same position at all.

Debt free and much, much, more than a GPU rental service.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21472 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:33 am to
Here's the comparison between CRWV and NBIS.
And the most obvious difference is that NBIS owns three other companies. So you can only compare NBIS core business to CRWV, and as you'll see, there's really no comparison:

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1. Engineering Resources: In-House Hardware Design

As we discussed before, a core differentiator for $NBIS is its deep bench of engineering talent and full-stack control of its infrastructure. While both companies invest in GPU clusters, $NBIS designs its own hardware, including racks purpose-built in collaboration with NVIDIA for next-gen chips.

Engineering capability is often underestimated, but it is the cornerstone of durable infrastructure efficiency. The quality of Nebius’ hardware design will matter more over time as generational leaps in GPU performance compress replacement cycles and make poor hardware decisions more costly.

2. Infrastructure Model: Mostly Reseller vs. Vertically Integrated Operator

CoreWeave doesn’t own its infrastructure assets apart from GPUs, it focuses on renting colocation space (using third party data centers) to scale rapidly. While this accelerates go-to-market speed, it comes at a cost: greater reliance on third parties, limited hardware control, and increased exposure to power, cooling, and connectivity constraints in shared data centers.

$NBIS, by contrast, pursues vertical integration:

• It builds and owns most of its infrastructure.
• It designs hyperscale data centers from the ground up, with AI workloads in mind.
• It optimizes rack-to-chip performance and power utilization holistically.

This control over infrastructure allows $NBIS to scale incrementally and efficiently while mitigating external risks. By owning the stack, it also avoids the rent escalations and logistical bottlenecks that often plague GPU resellers.

The result: better uptime, lower latency, and reduced cost per unit of compute — benefits $NBIS can either retain as margin or pass to customers.

3. Growth Strategy: Disciplined Scaling vs. Debt-Fueled Expansion

By designing and building its own data centers, $NBIS can fully leverage its hardware optimizations. More importantly, its modular architecture allows it to scale capacity gradually, based on demand — a stark contrast to CoreWeave’s aggressive expansion.

CoreWeave rushed to build capacity as fast as possible to secure large customers like Microsoft. While this strategy enabled rapid growth, it also left the company burdened with over $8B in debt. This gets even more riskier when that debt is secured against its GPUs, a fairly fast depreciating asset that brings high financing costs.

In contrast, $NBIS follows a pragmatic and financially disciplined approach, avoiding overbuilding infrastructure that could remain underutilized. With $2.4B in cash and no debt, the company is in a far stronger financial position. While $NBIS does plan to raise additional capital to support its expansion, the exact approach remains uncertain. The company could opt for share dilution, potentially through a private placement with strategic investors, as it did with Nvidia in December. Alternatively, it could raise capital via debt financing or by selling a stake in one of its subsidiaries. Regardless of the method, any new funding is expected to be strategic and beneficial for long-term growth, especially as it would mean that demand continues to boom (otherwise, $NBIS wouldn’t need more than its current cash pile).

This approach reduces downside risk, especially in a capital-intensive sector where missteps can be existential. CoreWeave, on the other hand, is far more vulnerable to market disruptions.

4. Customer Base and Revenue Concentration

CoreWeave relies heavily on large-scale AI clients, with Microsoft accounting for 62% of its revenue in 2024. This dependence on a single customer introduces significant risks, especially as Microsoft ramps up its own infrastructure investments.

$NBIS, on the other hand, has a more diversified approach, targeting a broad range of customers, from small startups and developers to large enterprises. This gives the company a more stable revenue base, as it’s not reliant on one anchor client. For smaller businesses, $NBIS offers flexible, scalable AI cloud solutions, enabling them to access powerful compute resources without large upfront costs. At the same time, $NBIS also provides customized, high-performance infrastructure for larger enterprises that need tailored AI solutions.

Additionally, and as explained before, $NBIS focuses on developer experience, with tools like Nebius AI Studio simplifying AI workload deployment. This customer-centric approach makes it appealing to both emerging companies and established businesses, strengthening its long-term market position while reducing exposure to risks from any single client. In contrast, CoreWeave’s focus on GPU-centric infrastructure for high-end workloads limits its customer pool to a narrower segment, mainly large enterprises with substantial budgets and specific needs.

Both Nebius and CoreWeave are positioned to benefit from the AI infrastructure boom, but they are executing fundamentally different playbooks.
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Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
25808 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:26 pm to
It's a great stock.

ETA - No! What a dog, man! This stock sucks.

ETA - Relax. We're back up. Just like I knew we would be.

ETA - this sucks! I'd rather sandpaper a bobcat's arse in a telephone booth than watch this rock sink all day...
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 1:29 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21472 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:42 pm to
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Yep i dont think i can make good on my steak and lobster offer bayoubengals. Someone said at the beginning they already did this with standard lithium and thus decided to stay out. Wish i had been so wise. FML

just saw this gem. Sometimes you've just got to know what you own and stay logged out.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
25808 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 2:14 pm to
For those who downvoted my post above, forgive me. I'm an LSU baseball fan...
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21472 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 3:01 pm to
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For those who downvoted my post above, forgive me. I'm an LSU baseball fan...

No new tech stock is for the faint of heart. Draw downs happen. If you know what you hold, and you know why and for how long you want to hold it, then there shouldn't be any issues
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
2753 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 4:02 pm to
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just saw this gem. Sometimes you've just got to know what you own and stay logged out.


Man those were a harowing few weeks. Finally hit a homerun that id waited ages for then it was snatched away. Seems to be a theme sometimes. Missed out on a 1.2 million deal about 20 years back and then another multimillion opportunity when i840 went in. God just keeping me humble i think. Still a gut punch when you see it disappear like nbis did after earnings and deepseek. I’ll get ya a beer and lobster regardless man
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
961 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 4:48 pm to
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NVDA owns over $900 million of CoreWeave.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21472 posts
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:43 pm to
CRWV IPO was slipping when it started trading a couple of months ago and NVDA anchored the price around $38 or 40. Makes sense. They’re are partner who rents out 10x the GPUs that NBIS does.
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