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re: Nebius - NBIS - AI Infrastructure Company
Posted on 10/21/25 at 7:56 pm to jefforize
Posted on 10/21/25 at 7:56 pm to jefforize
quote:LOL When you put it that way…that’s what I’ve been attempting to say for 10 months.
This is the easiest retail win a lot of us will have and some of yall will still fumble it.
However, I’m doing my best to fumble it at the moment.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:01 pm to LSUcam7
quote:That’s a great question. I have not. Grok tells me 8-10bn net present value.
Have you come across any reputable takes on how to value it in today’s dollars? Assuming some multiple of a discounted $17.4B value?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:05 pm to LChama
Do I really. You know what I’m referring to
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:06 pm to bayoubengals88
I don’t think you will fumble. You are playing the game very well
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:07 pm to LSUcam7
Qualitative Adjustments:
- Option Value: The $2B expansion is a real option—value it using Black-Scholes (volatility ~40%, time to expiration 2 years) for ~$0.5-1B added PV.
- Strategic Premium: This deal de-risks Nebius (validates tech, attracts more hyperscalers) and enables cheaper financing (~2-3% lower rates), adding ~$0.5B in efficiency gains.
- Risks: Termination clauses (e.g., material breach after 60 days) or GPU supply issues could haircut 10-20%.
Deal Value Range: $8-10 billion NPV today, implying a strong ROI for Nebius (funded via ~$5-6B CapEx, yielding 50-60% IRR). This is conservative; analysts like those at BWS Financial see it as a "transformative de-risker" worth more due to follow-on contracts.
- Option Value: The $2B expansion is a real option—value it using Black-Scholes (volatility ~40%, time to expiration 2 years) for ~$0.5-1B added PV.
- Strategic Premium: This deal de-risks Nebius (validates tech, attracts more hyperscalers) and enables cheaper financing (~2-3% lower rates), adding ~$0.5B in efficiency gains.
- Risks: Termination clauses (e.g., material breach after 60 days) or GPU supply issues could haircut 10-20%.
Deal Value Range: $8-10 billion NPV today, implying a strong ROI for Nebius (funded via ~$5-6B CapEx, yielding 50-60% IRR). This is conservative; analysts like those at BWS Financial see it as a "transformative de-risker" worth more due to follow-on contracts.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:11 pm to bayoubengals88
Step-by-Step Integration
1. Build a Full Company Financial Model:
- Core Business (Ex-Deal): Project $1-2B revenue in 2026 (from >1GW power capacity by end-2026, serving startups/enterprises). Margins: 50-60%. Include $500M+ annual CapEx for expansion.
- Add Deal FCF: Layer in the $17.4-19.4B contract as above ($2B+ annual FCF by 2027).
- Total Projections: 2026 revenue ~$5B (deal + core), scaling to $10B+ by 2030. Terminal growth 5% (AI market tailwinds).
2. DCF Valuation:
- Discount all FCF at 11% WACC. Terminal value (Year 5 FCF × (1+5%) / (11%-5%)) = $50-60B PV.
- Enterprise Value (EV) Example:
| Component | PV of FCF ($B) | Notes |
|-----------|----------------|-------|
| Core Business | 15-20 | High-growth, but riskier (no contracts yet) |
| Microsoft Deal | 8-10 | Contracted, lower discount (9-10%) |
| Other Segments (Toloka, etc.) | 2-3 | Stable, low-growth |
| Total EV | 25-33 | Plus $1B net cash/debt adjustment |
- Equity Value: $26-34B (implies $110-140/share). Bull case ($40B EV): If deal expands and wins 1-2 more hyperscaler contracts.
3. Multiples Check:
- EV/Forward Sales: Apply 8-12x to 2026 sales ($5B) = $40-60B EV (premium for deal visibility; peers like CoreWeave at 15x post-Microsoft deal).
- EV/EBITDA: 50-70x 2027 EBITDA ($1.5B) = $75-105B (overstated due to current losses).
- Adjust for Deal: Adds 0.5-1x multiple premium (strategic validation reduces beta by 0.2-0.3).
4. Sensitivity and Risks:
- Upside: More deals (CEO expects "more to come"); Nvidia investment/priority GPUs boost margins to 70%.
- Downside: AI hype cools (10% haircut), CapEx overruns, or competition from AWS/Google (20% risk).
- Scenario Range: Base $30B EV ($125/share); Bear $20B ($85/share); Bull $50B ($210/share).
Quick Valuation Formula
For a back-of-envelope:
NBIS Fair Value = (Core EV + Deal NPV) / Shares Outstanding (~240M)
= ($18B core + $9B deal) / 0.24B = ~$115/share.
To arrive: Project FCF as sum of segments, discount via NPV = S [FCF_t / (1 + WACC)^t], add terminal value.
This deal catapults Nebius's valuation from "speculative AI play" to "hyperscaler-adjacent powerhouse," but watch execution (e.g., Q3 earnings). Consult a financial advisor for personalized modeling—tools like Excel or Python (with numpy for DCF) can refine this.
1. Build a Full Company Financial Model:
- Core Business (Ex-Deal): Project $1-2B revenue in 2026 (from >1GW power capacity by end-2026, serving startups/enterprises). Margins: 50-60%. Include $500M+ annual CapEx for expansion.
- Add Deal FCF: Layer in the $17.4-19.4B contract as above ($2B+ annual FCF by 2027).
- Total Projections: 2026 revenue ~$5B (deal + core), scaling to $10B+ by 2030. Terminal growth 5% (AI market tailwinds).
2. DCF Valuation:
- Discount all FCF at 11% WACC. Terminal value (Year 5 FCF × (1+5%) / (11%-5%)) = $50-60B PV.
- Enterprise Value (EV) Example:
| Component | PV of FCF ($B) | Notes |
|-----------|----------------|-------|
| Core Business | 15-20 | High-growth, but riskier (no contracts yet) |
| Microsoft Deal | 8-10 | Contracted, lower discount (9-10%) |
| Other Segments (Toloka, etc.) | 2-3 | Stable, low-growth |
| Total EV | 25-33 | Plus $1B net cash/debt adjustment |
- Equity Value: $26-34B (implies $110-140/share). Bull case ($40B EV): If deal expands and wins 1-2 more hyperscaler contracts.
3. Multiples Check:
- EV/Forward Sales: Apply 8-12x to 2026 sales ($5B) = $40-60B EV (premium for deal visibility; peers like CoreWeave at 15x post-Microsoft deal).
- EV/EBITDA: 50-70x 2027 EBITDA ($1.5B) = $75-105B (overstated due to current losses).
- Adjust for Deal: Adds 0.5-1x multiple premium (strategic validation reduces beta by 0.2-0.3).
4. Sensitivity and Risks:
- Upside: More deals (CEO expects "more to come"); Nvidia investment/priority GPUs boost margins to 70%.
- Downside: AI hype cools (10% haircut), CapEx overruns, or competition from AWS/Google (20% risk).
- Scenario Range: Base $30B EV ($125/share); Bear $20B ($85/share); Bull $50B ($210/share).
Quick Valuation Formula
For a back-of-envelope:
NBIS Fair Value = (Core EV + Deal NPV) / Shares Outstanding (~240M)
= ($18B core + $9B deal) / 0.24B = ~$115/share.
To arrive: Project FCF as sum of segments, discount via NPV = S [FCF_t / (1 + WACC)^t], add terminal value.
This deal catapults Nebius's valuation from "speculative AI play" to "hyperscaler-adjacent powerhouse," but watch execution (e.g., Q3 earnings). Consult a financial advisor for personalized modeling—tools like Excel or Python (with numpy for DCF) can refine this.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:13 pm to jefforize
Plus all the stuff it dawg posted today.
This price action is stock traders positioning for monumental gains. They are straight up telling you this in this thread
This price action is stock traders positioning for monumental gains. They are straight up telling you this in this thread
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:16 pm to bayoubengals88
I mean, the playbook is clearly laid out in this thread.
I’ll keep it simple
Buy NBIs under 100 if you even see it. 102 for sure
I’ll keep it simple
Buy NBIs under 100 if you even see it. 102 for sure
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:17 pm to bayoubengals88
So Grok is telling me that 27bn is fair value without the subsidiaries.
18bn core plus 9bn Microsoft deal.
However, the subs are an easy 4bn dollar tack on.
After recent dilution that’s $118/share.
All of this is very conservative, and does not factor in any future deal.
So now we know that a deal that’s roughly half of the Microsoft deal will add roughly 4-5 bn in value immediately.
A $14-15 dollar bump in share price.
18bn core plus 9bn Microsoft deal.
However, the subs are an easy 4bn dollar tack on.
After recent dilution that’s $118/share.
All of this is very conservative, and does not factor in any future deal.
So now we know that a deal that’s roughly half of the Microsoft deal will add roughly 4-5 bn in value immediately.
A $14-15 dollar bump in share price.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:19 pm to bayoubengals88
Been OOT on work meetings but looking forward to getting back to hotel to read all of this to figure out what I need to do tomorrow.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:20 pm to jefforize
quote:
Since maybe we all need reminders
quote:fricking cracks me up that servicing Microsoft isn’t even their core business. It’s like a huge bonus do they can get even better at the core business of AI start ups.
Arkady Volozh, founder and CEO of Nebius, said:
“Nebius’s core AI cloud business, serving customers from AI startups to enterprises, is performing exceptionally well. We have also said that, in addition to our core business, we expect to secure significant long-term committed contracts with leading AI labs and big tech companies. I’m happy to announce the first of these contracts, and I believe there are more to come. The economics of the deal are attractive in their own right, but, significantly, the deal will also help us to accelerate the growth of our AI cloud business even further in 2026 and beyond.”
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:22 pm to jefforize
quote:Yep.
This price action is stock traders positioning for monumental gains. They are straight up telling you this in this thread
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:26 pm to bayoubengals88
From the tweet above:
quote:
Nebius is a screaming buy and a once-in-a-generational company in the marketing as a $26B company and $100/share.
We've seen this play with Robinhood, when they would have 50% below MC price targets, hit-pieces when share price was $20. Yet Robinhood grew from $150m quarterly revenue to $950m-1B, and market cap went from $15B to $130B and then became the darling of Wall Street.
Wall Street and institutional investors see this clearly with Nebius for the next year but don't have large positions yet.
However, retail only sees the dropping price, sensationalist articles about Oracle losing $100m trying to enter the space, and the current 100M revenue numbers instead of the projected $1B+/quarter.
So, even if price can seem like they're dropping off marginal trades are executed at lower prices, even if more shares get bought:
1. Retail panic-sells, gets margin liquidated.
2. Mechanical hedging from MM's from short-dated options (couterparty to retail selling CSPs or buying short dated calls) exacerbates downside, creating a sell-off)
3. MMs from Citadel to Virtu absorb the flow by buying from retail.
4. MMs hedge + rebalance by offload to insitutions in block trades + dark pools. (harvesting selloff by institutions)
5. Institutions get low-visibility accumulation while keeping price down. (eg. 100k shares sold by retail, and 150k shares bought by institutions, while price drops.)
Retail sees "red days" and thinks "no one’s buying" while accumulation continues quietly.
Retail sentiment is collapsing but fundamentals have only improved (eg. new Israel data center build out for more ~80m+ ARR based on estimates).
It's a slow, strategic process to accumulate a large percentage of a company's float as hedge funds and institutions see Nebius as a potential next 100B+ company.
The fundamentals haven’t changed - only the share price and retail sentiment have.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:29 pm to bayoubengals88
I know . Like what?
feels pretty good having my money here
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:31 pm to bayoubengals88
We been knew.
Others doubt. That’s ok
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:38 pm to bayoubengals88
How low do they take it with this scheme
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:41 pm to LChama
Either 102, 95, or 86.
Just remember. Arkady didn’t sell at 140 and he only has until January to sell.
Correction: 27 February
Just remember. Arkady didn’t sell at 140 and he only has until January to sell.
Correction: 27 February
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 9:04 pm to bayoubengals88
See….. I get pissed everyday and consider selling when the stock goes down. Then you guys reiterate all of this and it makes me want to buy more.
This post was edited on 10/21/25 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 10/21/25 at 9:06 pm to sonoma8
quote:
See….. I get pissed everyday and consider selling when the stock goes down. Then you guys reiterate all of this and it makes me want to buy more.
Lmfao I swear to god I was just thinking this exact thing. But to their point the manipulation works.
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