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Navient Student Loan processing

Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:07 pm
Posted by ArkBengal
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2004
1923 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:07 pm
This for my son actually, but he was up here a few weeks ago and we looked at his student loan situation and I saw some glaring issues. He is not on any income based plan, got a good degree and is making nice money. He has been paying well over the minimum payments for several years now and is not trying to "beat the system".
But, in looking at his status I noticed the principal balance is not going down nearly as fast as it should based on his terms, etc. He then started checking on it and it has been difficult to get meaningful info from Navient about why this is the case. There are about 15 different loans in the package (why do they do this ?) and it looks like they have not been posting his payments properly and there are some other odd things going on with the accounts.
I know that the CFPB, along with several state Attorneys General, have filed lawsuits against Navient for these types of issues and others. Anyone go through this with these guys and have any luck getting it resolved ? My advice was to look at refinancing with a private lender and consolidate the loans but he is now wondering if Navient doesn't owe him a lot of money that was misapplied.
Any suggestions, and thanks for any replies
Posted by Stateguy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
887 posts
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:17 pm to
They all suck. Personal experience with Navient (formerly sallie mae), FedLoan, and AES. AES was best and they still aren’t great

Can’t help with how to resolve his problem but as for the # of loans you mentioned - each year is listed as separate loan, subsidized vs unsubsidized are also listed separately and for each year. So if he did grad school, 15 seems possible
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11425 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 4:05 pm to
We began with Sallie Mae, which became Navient. Paid a like monthly amount for about ten years and then satisfied balance in one swoop. Seemed like we were never making headway but didn't press for information.

I do know Navient is under fire for not being helpful in assisting loan holders in making best use of their monies.

As for who to speak with, no clue as fsaoperations is a bottomless pit. Maybe pull everything together, develop a listing of questions/concerns and send via certified mail to Navient for their position.
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 4:09 pm
Posted by ArkBengal
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2004
1923 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 4:23 pm to
Yes, the lack of progress in paying down the balance is the biggest issue. After looking at what he has paid over several years it seems the balance should be much lower than what they show, to the tune of about half. Makes no sense unless payments are not applied correctly and/or a lot of admin fees for servicing all the loans.
They also show some sketchy, unexplained adjustments to payments and balances. That coupled with the lawsuit allegations makes me wonder if they are that incompetent or just crooks. Maybe both.
Thanks for the replies - seems he will have his work cut out to get a satisfactory explanation. Wondering if getting an attorney involved is practical at this point ?
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 4:26 pm
Posted by chillygentilly
70122
Member since Aug 2012
2569 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 4:59 pm to
Navient (Sallie Mae) was the servicer for my loans right out of college. I only had 5 different types of loans, but my experience with them is that you had to be very specific with how you directed over-payments. You can pull a transaction summary to see how they are allocating the payments. Also, different loans have different rules for capitalization of interest (subsidized v. Unsubsidized).

I recently consolidated and refi-ed with SoFi. I got a way better rate and it’s a pretty painless process.
Posted by ArkBengal
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2004
1923 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:40 pm to
May have him look at that - refinance seems like the best way out once he can get the account squared away. Will try to get the transaction summary to check past history
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37084 posts
Posted on 8/11/18 at 9:27 pm to
You should be able to look up for each loan, for each payment, what was applied and how. Get that data, run it against some amortization schedules that you create, and see where the differences are.

I had a whole bunch of loans but when I graduated I consolidated them down into two. One sub and one unsub, both at Sallie Mae (now Navient). I never had any issues.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 5:48 am to
Just a gentle suggestion....son needs to do all of this stuff himself. Offer advice, suggest where to find an amortization calculator, impress upon him the need to understand his financial obligations, the need to monitor his payments posting on a monthly basis, and to, every month, insure that the payment is correctly applied. Being overly involved only reinforces the idea that someone else will fix things that he mismanages.
Posted by CharleyLake
Member since Oct 2006
1324 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 7:43 am to
Navient is one of the most pervasive orgainzations that I have ever dealt with. I co-signed one of my children's student loans years ago. Even with additonal principle credied to the monthly the balance was not decresing as fast as it was expected. Why is more applied to principle for some months and less on other months? You should know this.

It was difficult to get an answer from their associates.
Much more interest is applied to the balance if the loan is not paid upon reciept as opposed to its due date. There are other harmful applications that Navient uses to reduce the loan balance when the borrower makes equal multiple monthly pre-payments that allows the balance to grow. For one example, Navient would prefer to allow a borrower to simply apply an extra monthly payment to an extended pay period on the back end if not specifically requested otherwise and not bill the borrower for the payment the next month.
This particular tactic is not specifically disclosed but upon being asked the assocaite will tell you something like "most borrowers prefer it that way."

I was able to pay the balance a few months ago. I would have gotten a conventinal loan to escape this debt a few years ago had I known more about the Navient policies.

Continue to educate yourself with these charltans.



Posted by philabuck
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2008
10378 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 8:29 am to
I had Great Lakes for a loan and after every payment posted I had to call or email them and request the extra payment be applied to Loan123. If I paid an extra 100 bucks they'd apply 10 bucks to ten different loans instead of just applying the full amount to the loan with the highest rate.
Posted by Wal-Mart Warrior
Houston
Member since Aug 2013
763 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 8:44 am to
Same with me. Refinanced with So-Fi for a lower rate and they are much better.

OP, I’d definitely look into So-Fi.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13653 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:58 am to
Make sure they are applying to extra money in the payment to the principle, and not just going to prepayment of next month’s payment.
Posted by ArkBengal
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2004
1923 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:19 pm to
Oh he is doing the legwork on it. Just put it on here to see if anyone had similar experiences or good ideas.
Thanks to all so far for the feedback.
Posted by ArkBengal
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2004
1923 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:22 pm to
Thanks, sounds like what we suspected in that overpayments are not being applied properly. He can check into that as one avenue. If he finds that to be the case, any way to retroactively fix the issue or only recourse is to make sure future payments get applied properly ?
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
11425 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 11:18 pm to
Don't know the answer but Navient is being sued for a myriad of fast and loose practices and some relief may come that way, worth looking into
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10262 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:09 am to
There are excel spreadsheet you can track this stuff if you honestly think there are errors. LINK

It’s likely he just has a lot of loans and will not be making a huge dent immediately. Similar to a mortgage. He should start directing any overages to a specific loan rather than divided over the 15 loans. Start with highest interest rate first. I have experience with Navient, and don’t see any malicious intent, they just have a crappy interface IMO. But, almost all of them do. It’s as if they make it as tedious as possible to pay them off quicker than scheduled.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11805 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:42 am to
I had 4 loans through Sally Mae, that became Navient. One thing that i noted is the account incurred interest daily. so paying a few days or a week before the "bill" was due knocked off more principle.

All my loans were the same interest rate (was around 2.1-2.3% as it changed each July based on lending rate) if you have multiple accounts, your one payment will be split proportionally with each loan, regardless of lowest or highest interest rate.

I got a Upromise credit card through Barclay and earned 1% cash back that went directly to paying down my loans. recently they upped the card to 1.5% cash back. Plus you get bonus cash back when ordering online through one of the Upromise vendors, sometimes like 10%

EDIT: My overpayments were going to the principle, but it was also showing up and next payment was 4-5 month away like it was a prepayment. My guess is this was the same compounded daily interest factor. it was showing as a prepayment, but since money was received it immediately went to the balance and shorted the additional interest like it should have.



This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 7:45 am
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53177 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:39 am to
I keep a spreadsheet analysis of my loans haven’t noticed anything out of the ordinary with Navient. It is a little more difficult to view the loan details together, but that’s a minor nuisance.

Also, it’s principal not principle.
Posted by Doldil
The Ham
Member since Jan 2010
6214 posts
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:12 am to
When I was with Navient I would always do the following:

Pay the minimum due and then go in and make an extra payment on a specific loan. Each one of those 15 different loans can have money put to it directly. I literally just let the minimum payment be applied (it gets divided up to satisfy each individual loan) and then all my extra would go to one specific loan. That allowed me to knock out the small ones quicker and helped me make some progress.
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