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LA 529 Start Plan for HS Tuition

Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:59 am
Posted by Roscoe
Member since Sep 2007
2913 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:59 am
My child will be going to a private HS next year, and we are in process of setting up tuition management plan. However, someone mentioned to me that you can use the 529 plans in La. to pay for private school HS tutions now.

At this point, my child will be starting school in August and tuition becomes due either monthly or biannually. Is there really any benefit to setting up a 529 Plan at this point since it really won't be used as a "savings account" to build for tution due years down the road. Are there any tax benefits/deductions available by using the 529 plan or any matching benefits that I could be passing up on by not setting up an account, even at this late in the game?

Just trying to decide if there is anything beneicial to settin up such an account at this late stage in the game at least with respect to HS tuition.
Posted by HarveyBanger
Member since Mar 2018
1100 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:14 pm to
The benefits of setting up a plan would be that you can deduct that from your LA state income taxes. It won’t affect federal taxes.

It’s probably worth it however the 529 is more designed for college savings. I am not aware of any matching you can get but I don’t live in Louisiana anymore so im not 100% sure in that
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27061 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:33 pm to
The actual amount of the Earnings Enhancement is calculated by multiplying the annual deposits to an account by the Earnings Enhancement rate applicable to the account category.

For account Categories I, II and III, the Earnings Enhancement rate is based on the account owner’s reported federal adjusted gross income (AGI) for the preceding taxable year (the AGI for tax year 2010 will be used to calculate Earnings Enhancements for 2011 deposits), according to the following schedule:
Reported AGI Rate Earnings Enhancement
$0 to $29,999 14%
$30,000 to $44,999 12%
$45,000 to $59,999 9%
$60,000 to $74,999 6%
$75,000 to $99,999 4%
$100,000 and above 2%
For account Category IV the Earnings Enhancements are based on the two percent (2%) rate.
For account Category V, no Earnings Enhancement is paid.
For account Category VI, the Earnings Enhancements are based on the federal AGI reported for the previous year by the beneficiary’s family and are paid to the same rate schedule as used for account Categories I, II and III.
For account Categories I, II, III and VI that do not provide documentation of the federal AGI, the Earnings Enhancements are based on the two percent (2%) rate.

Earnings Enhancements are awarded annually and posted to individual accounts as of December 31 of each year.

***

There are six categories:

Category I
Parents, grandparents, court-ordered custodians, persons claiming the beneficiary as a dependent on their federal income tax return, if, at the time the Account Application is submitted, the account owner or beneficiary is a resident of the state.
Category II
A person or persons determined by LOSFA to be a Member of the Family of the beneficiary and, at the time the Account Application is submitted, the account owner or beneficiary is a resident of the state. Members of the family include, in addition to the beneficiary’s spouse, adults related to the beneficiary as brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, first cousins, in-laws, step-parents, step-siblings, and spouses of these listed persons.
Category III
An Independent Student who is a resident of the state.
Category IV
Any other person or Legal Entity if, at the time the Account Application is submitted, the beneficiary is a resident of the state.
Category V
Any other person or Legal Entity that, at the time the Account Application is submitted, is a resident of the state and the beneficiary is not a resident of the state.
Category VI
Any other person or Legal Entity or any government entity, and at the time of the submission of the Account Application:
The beneficiary is a resident of the state;
The federal adjusted income of the beneficiary’s family is less than $30,000 or the beneficiary is eligible for a free lunch under the Richard B. Russell National School Act (42 U.S.C. 1751 et seq.); and
The beneficiary is not a member of the account owner’s family and is not a member of the family of any member or employee of LATTA or LOSFA.

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Earnings on START accounts are tax deferred until withdrawn. If the funds are used to pay Qualified Higher Education Expenses, the earnings are exempt from both state and federal taxes. Deposits to START accounts are deductible from reported Louisiana income, up to $2,400 per year, per beneficiary. Unused portions may be carried forward to subsequent tax years. Married couples filing jointly may deduct deposits to START accounts from Louisiana State Taxable Income up to a maximum of $4,800 per year, per beneficiary, and any unused portion may be carried forward to subsequent tax years. An account owner of a Category VI account may deduct twice the amount deposited per account per taxable year, up to $2,400 in donations. If the Category VI account owner does not use the full $4,800 exemption in any tax year, any unused exemption may be rolled forward to be used in future tax years.

LINK
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27061 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:37 pm to
Second post to add: All of the above is listed for the standard higher education 529. After a quick google search, it looks like there is a subset plan that can be used for private K-12 tuition and certain approved schools. You should do your own research from there to make sure what, if anything, of the above applies to your specific situation: LINK

ETA: After poking around for a minute, this appears to be the FAQ for the K12 option: LINK

Everything looks the same, except that the "enhancement" tab is missing. Either an oversight or that means there's no "match" for the K12 version, unlike the higher ed version, which honestly makes sense as the state has little to no reason to further subsidize private K12 education beyond giving you the small tax break.

But again, you should look into it more.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35292 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:32 pm to
I don’t even think you get the tax break for k12. Correct me if I am wrong.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27061 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:35 pm to
I have zero independent knowledge, but this is listed in the K12 FAQ:

Are there tax advantages to a START K12 account?
Yes, account owners may deposit and claim up to $2,400 for a joint filer and $1,200 for a single filer as a deduction to income on their Louisiana State Income Tax Return. All earnings on the account are tax deferred and if used for tuition expenses at an approved Louisiana school, the earnings are not taxable.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35292 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:37 pm to
Oh damn nice.


Maybe I’m misremembering or maybe it has changed at some point recently but I remember not getting the state income tax deduction for contributions when I started one 3 years ago.
Posted by Mariner
Mandeville, LA
Member since Jul 2009
1935 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 1:43 pm to
I don't remember getting the tax benefit either. Maybe its a new thing.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27061 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:38 pm to
Being I'm sure it will come up later, this is the (seemingly outdated but currently linked to on the site) list of approved non-public schools: LINK

Someone else can do the digging to see if there's any difference between the classifications that matter, as long as it has "approved" at the end
Posted by Tifway419
Member since Sep 2022
821 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 2:39 pm to
I believe they’ve always had it. We contribute the max $4,800 annually and get $204 back when filing our state income taxes.

You might be able to carry forward any unused deductions in prior years, your CPA would know.
Posted by tigergal918
Member since Feb 2022
118 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 3:51 pm to
To my knowledge, and I could be wrong, if you use the K-12 529 plan, then you can't claim the tuition cost on your State income tax. You can claim up to $5000/child for private school tuition on state taxes. Using the 529 would be double-dipping. That's how it was explained to me when I inquired about it.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84766 posts
Posted on 2/13/24 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

don’t even think you get the tax break for k12. Correct me if I am wrong.


This.

To avoid the exact scenario the OP is describing - deposit into 529, get immediate tax break and earnings enhancement then withdraw money for school in the spring - neither are available on the K-12 version.

Basically the only benefit of the K-12 version is tax free growth and withdrawal.

ETA - to clarify, you can’t double dip on the tax break. You either get the start deduction or the tuition deduction - not both. If you owe $5,000 in tuition in 3 months, you’re better off just taking the Elementary and Secondary School Tuition Credit and not messing with START.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
3985 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:38 am to
quote:

To avoid the exact scenario the OP is describing - deposit into 529, get immediate tax break and earnings enhancement then withdraw money for school in the spring - neither are available on the K-12 version.


cant you only withdraw 529 for Higher education expenses? How would you go about withdrawing for K-12 Expenses from the base 529 plan?

quote:

ETA - to clarify, you can’t double dip on the tax break. You either get the start deduction or the tuition deduction - not both. If you owe $5,000 in tuition in 3 months, you’re better off just taking the Elementary and Secondary School Tuition Credit and not messing with START.


One advantage of the START K-12 program is that you are not taxed on earnings. Seems like the best strategy would be to contribute to START K-12 from birth-Kindergarden, then stop contributing once you have actual tuition expenses then claim the tuition deduction. Unless I'm misunderstanding something?
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 10:40 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84766 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:24 am to
quote:

cant you only withdraw 529 for Higher education expenses? How would you go about withdrawing for K-12 Expenses from the base 529 plan?


Yeah I commingled terms but I was referring to the START K-12 plan when I said 529.

quote:

One advantage of the START K-12 program is that you are not taxed on earnings. Seems like the best strategy would be to contribute to START K-12 from birth-Kindergarden, then stop contributing once you have actual tuition expenses then claim the tuition deduction. Unless I'm misunderstanding something?


No you have it right. I’m sure saving while they’re in school could be beneficial for some too. Maybe?

For my personal situation, I can write off $2,400 for Start K-12 contributions, saving me $102 (4.25% marginal rate). While tax free growth is nice, any START funds used cannot be also used to take the private school tuition deduction, so ideally START would cover the amount over the annual limit, which is now $6,000 per child.
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
3985 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

No you have it right. I’m sure saving while they’re in school could be beneficial for some too. Maybe?

For my personal situation, I can write off $2,400 for Start K-12 contributions, saving me $102 (4.25% marginal rate). While tax free growth is nice, any START funds used cannot be also used to take the private school tuition deduction, so ideally START would cover the amount over the annual limit, which is now $6,000 per child.


thanks for the explanation.. So if I'm understanding this correctly. The best way for me to maximize the deduction is to pay $6,000 out of pocket, and use my saved START funds for the remaining balance of tuition?

Also, am I correct in understanding I cannot write off $2400 of START deposit and also claim the $6,000 Tuition deduction in the same year?

This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84766 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

The best way for me to maximize the deduction is to pay $6,000 out of pocket, and use my saved START funds for the remaining balance of tuition?


Seems that way to me. Tax free growth is great and all, but you have to use it at some point so that strategy makes the most sense to me.


quote:

Also, am I correct in understanding I cannot write off $2400 of START deposit and also claim the $6,000 Tuition deduction in the same year?


I kind of butchered this explanation so I’ll try again. Specifically for K-12, you can claim a deduction for up to $2,400 per beneficiary in a year if you contribute at least $2,400. If that money is withdrawn in the same year, you cannot claim the deduction (you can’t put the cash in then turn around and spend it immediately on tuition). However, expenses that qualify for the school tuition deduction can also be claimed as long as they’re not paid for by start contributions.


So, the way I read it, you can contribute $2400+/yr before your kids start school. Once you start having actual educational expenses, you claim the tuition deduction for any of those expenses that are NOT paid using start funds.

It gets a little weird when you withdraw funds from start and make a contribution in the same year - it appears you cannot claim the deduction if your withdrawal is more than your contribution for that year.

LDR information bulletin that addresses some of this
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