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re: just bought Tesla stock today at $357
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:16 am to Auburn80
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:16 am to Auburn80
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GM, Ford, Toyota etc. go big time into electric. Then what happens when there is real competition in that niche market.
Even if they could put out anything close to comparable to a Teslas it will be impossible for them to get dealerships to sell them. Electric cars have almost no service and maintenance cost which is where dealerships make almost all of their money. There have been a lot of secret shopper/undercover shoppers reports where dealerships will give out false info and do anything they can to push customers away from electric cars. All the old school automakers are kinda caught in a hard place because they can't sell directly to the customer because they have to keep dealerships happy in order to keep making money. Dealerships are not going to sell electric cars.
As a Tesla fan I would be worried about another new start up before the old school guys.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 1:18 am
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:53 am to Dr.Funke
There's a report today that Mercedes has to cut production targets for their latest EV in half due to a battery supply shortage.
We just keep hearing over and over that once so and so enters the game, Tesla is in trouble. And then a few so and sos have entered the game and are getting demolished, and it just shuffles to, "wait until this company gets in the EV game"
The goalposts keep moving, and it's been proven that it isn't as simple as just making an EV gets you in the game, these companies are so far behind, it will be extremely hard for them to compete.
We just keep hearing over and over that once so and so enters the game, Tesla is in trouble. And then a few so and sos have entered the game and are getting demolished, and it just shuffles to, "wait until this company gets in the EV game"
The goalposts keep moving, and it's been proven that it isn't as simple as just making an EV gets you in the game, these companies are so far behind, it will be extremely hard for them to compete.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:18 am to Dr.Funke
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You should short it
You should buy it here
Edit: Elon Musk is blowing it if he isn't locking up some kind of equity issue at these levels. Full drool and an easy cash grab.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 10:21 am
Posted on 1/24/20 at 10:27 am to wutangfinancial
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wutangfinancial
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Tesla should not be considered a going-concern at this rate
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What was this based on?
Bump
Posted on 1/24/20 at 11:01 am to shel311
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Bump
Sorry, you must be confusing stock price with the business operations. Can't help you.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 12:18 am to rallyTiger
I think Tesla has a cult following and Musk is a big part of that. The current price is more hype and hope than fundamentals. Most people are calling for it to go over $400 this year and a few see $500 in the future. If it hit $400 I would sell half and get out of the rest if it ever got close to $500. I don’t think Musk can keep it going forever as more than a niche automaker.
Posted on 1/25/20 at 11:53 am to wutangfinancial
quote:That was such a bad take, and you know it was a troll on your part, so much so that you refuse to even try to defend it now.
Sorry, you must be confusing stock price with the business operations. Can't help you.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong with every single thing you say, like saying Tesla should not be considered a going concern right now.
Falls right in line with virtually every take you've ever posted about Tesla on here. You said there was no demand for Tesla, that was flat wrong. You said they don't have good resale value, that was flat wrong. You said they lose money on EVERY car they sell, that was flat wrong. Those are just a couple of examples, you have plenty more.
This post was edited on 1/25/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/25/20 at 11:55 am to Drizzt
quote:Bruh, it's at $564 right now.
Most people are calling for it to go over $400 this year and a few see $500 in the future. If it hit $400 I would sell half and get out of the rest if it ever got close to $500.
quote:You realize basically every day going forward from now, the EV market becomes a little bit less of a niche market.
don’t think Musk can keep it going forever as more than a niche automaker.
You really think 20 or 30 years from now, the EV market will still be a niche market?
Posted on 1/25/20 at 11:37 pm to shel311
I remembered the number off the top of my head wrong. I still doubt Tesla is 100 higher by the end of the year. I thought I saw it in the 300s on Friday. What I mean by them being niche is that every major auto company is going big into EV and Tesla won’t be able to compete with those larger companies. Hence Tesla will stay a niche EV in the tech heavy high performance end. I personally don’t think EVs will be the main auto tech the next 25 years. With cheap oil and expensive low range batteries I think hybrid technology will become the standard and cars getting extremely high gas mileage will be the norm. Who has time to charge a car for 30 minutes every 200 miles? It won’t work on a large scale.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 9:33 am to Drizzt
quote:Why not? The better question is how are these companies going to compete with Tesla in the EV market?
every major auto company is going big into EV and Tesla won’t be able to compete with those larger companies.
quote:Oh, I think that's way off base.
I personally don’t think EVs will be the main auto tech the next 25 years.
quote:Well for one, we're already better than charging for 30 minutes every 200 miles right now in 2020. You don't think that will get much better by 2030, and 2040?
Who has time to charge a car for 30 minutes every 200 miles?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:12 am to shel311
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You said they lose money on EVERY car they sell
Your melts are delicious. You seem like you know your way around a 10-Q. Very informed to attack the one thing that still holds true. That "take" was stated a few months ago. Guess what? The largest Tesla market comped negative growth in Q3 and probably will again in Q4 ON FALLING PRICES.
Model 3 Price Trend
It's all right there in front of your face and yet you're in denial. It's puppy love for a CEO. I'm extremely impressed with Elon at this point. The guy is going to cash out like $10 billion in stock options. His ability to control narrative is GOAT status. Anyways...enjoy your wet dreams about robotaxis and what not
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:26 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:TIL Tesla only sells 1 model car, and they only sell cars in the US. The Money Talk is full of knowledgeable folks, shite most way more than you and I. But when you purposely omit data like you've done with your graphs and link, that's really easy to see right through.
Model 3 Price Trend
Your link to Model 3 used price trends is very disingenuous, I just don't know if you had no idea of the why behind it or if you knew but still wanted to throw that out there without providing context. When Model 3 first was released, only the more expensive versions were available, so only more expensive versions were originally available used. Then the cheaper Model 3 was released and is selling more units than the more expensive version, so ya don't say, the average used price of a Tesla Model 3 is dropping after the cheaper Model 3 starting being sold on the used market. Yea, that happens when you introduce a cheaper version of a car that has just gone to market in the past couple of years.
You still won't defend his going concern position. Pretty sad on your part.
You said a few months ago after Q1 there was "no demand for Tesla" when it was pretty obvious to basically everyone else why Q1 deliveries were so low, and they'd rebound. Then this happened:
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:05 pm to shel311
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TIL Tesla only sells 1 model car, and they only sell cars in the US
So are you the type of analyst that compares revenue growth year to year without controlling for new markets thinking it will be sustainable? Are you forgetting they had to simplify their inventory because they had too many verions of the S and X that weren't selling? What about the multiple price cuts for each model?
Everything I say you take literally, that's a you problem.
Example: "There is no demand for the cars"
You: "They sold a single car in the Netherlands there is demand!"
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You still won't defend his going concern position. Pretty sad on your part.
Tesla will survive on dilution and debt financed by useful idiots that think it's a technology company. That isn't something I've considered until recently. I'm not sure why you get so worked up over this company. It's a dog shite operation. I'm not even hating on the actual cars themselves which is what seems to get you sensitive to other obvious details about the company related to money.
Edit: You should probably include free cash flow or net loss with those deliveries. Talk about being disengenous.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:39 pm to wutangfinancial
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Everything I say you take literally, that's a you problem.
Example: "There is no demand for the cars"
Awesome. Says there's no demand for Teslas. Teslas have record demand, Model 3 best selling car in its class, top 10 best selling car in America. "You took me saying No Demand literaly."
quote:Those 2 models are largely irrelevant to their long term future.
Are you forgetting they had to simplify their inventory because they had too many verions of the S and X that weren't selling? What about the multiple price cuts for each model?
quote:Thanks for conceding you were wrong on that point.
That isn't something I've considered until recently.
quote:I'm not sure why you get so pissy over it either, so great. Move on from that nonsense.
I'm not sure why you get so worked up over this company.
quote:Free Cash Flow...
Edit: You should probably include free cash flow or net loss with those deliveries. Talk about being disengenous.
Without the #s in front of me, for the year 2017, I believe it was -$3.5 billion, then 2018 pretty close to even. Then through Q2 2019 it was over $500 million.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:41 am to shel311
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Teslas have record demand, Model 3 best selling car in its class, top 10 best selling car in America.
Aww here we go. Your stuck on demand still. One would assume after 4 or 5 price cuts it would increase demand for any product. That's sort of how it works. So saying it's at a record with that additional information isn't the gotcha you think it is.
We will see how they do in 2020. It's always fun for laughs to follow it.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 10:13 am to wutangfinancial
quote:So is saying "there's no demand for Tesla" but here you are, still saying falsely stating it.
So saying it's at a record with that additional information isn't the gotcha you think it is.
quote:In fairness, every one of these threads ends with you insinuated I'm the "Pro-Tesla" stock guy, which I have never stated.
We will see how they do in 2020. It's always fun for laughs to follow it.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:26 pm to shel311
Earnings topped biggly with a short float of 18%...we squeezn baby!!
Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:27 pm to Turftoe
been squeezing for a while now.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:28 pm to b-rab2
and will continue to
Posted on 1/29/20 at 3:31 pm to Turftoe
The run has been quite amazing. i was short last year.. I thought the end was near.. but no skin in the game since june of last year. been fun to watch.
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