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re: Is Reaganomics and free trade officially dead?

Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:17 pm to
Posted by Jjdoc
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Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:17 pm to
He's never going to grasp it. He is married to an old belief that it's either or
Posted by Jjdoc
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Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:21 pm to
All he did was point out how the federal government was funded until FDR.

I believebthat was his point.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:33 am to
Argentina is going free trade route after decades of Peronism. China and most of Asia will lean free trade in the coming decades, same with Africa.
Posted by wutangfinancial
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:55 am to
Free trade is as real as efficient markets and capitalism
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:10 am to
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He is married to an old belief that it's either or

Do tariffs raise prices?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:11 am to
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All he did was point out how the federal government was funded until FDR.

Which is literally irrelevant to this discussion.
Posted by Florida_Man1981
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:10 pm to
Reagan saved Harley Davidson by putting tarrifs on Jap bikes.
Posted by BCreed1
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:18 pm to
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All he did was point out how the federal government was funded until FDR.

I believebthat was his point.


Yep! The truth is the truth. He has no idea that FDR raised income tax levels to 60% to fund the federal gov.
Posted by BCreed1
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:19 pm to
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Do tariffs raise prices?


There is no point to this. At all. It's already been explained by several in this thread and you simply ignore it.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:21 pm to
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He has no idea that FDR raised income tax levels to 60% to fund the federal gov.


Well that's wrong
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:22 pm to
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There is no point to this. At all.


Then why not answer?

Do tariffs raise prices?

The answer is yes, I just want to see you be honest about it in order to walk you through this.
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:24 pm to
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Which is literally irrelevant to this discussion.



No it is not. It's VERY relevant. Trump lowered taxes while starting Tariffs on goods with loopholes that created jobs.

FDR, on the other hand, raised income taxes and put the funding of the federal Gov on the backs of middle Americans while reducing tariffs. He did so under the myth that free trade and Globalism is great for the everyday American.



Posted by BCreed1
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:31 pm to
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quote:
He has no idea that FDR raised income tax levels to 60% to fund the federal gov.



Well that's wrong


No it's not.

Revenue Act of 1932.
The law was signed in June but retroactive to January. It increased all individual income tax rates with the top rate rising from 25 percent to 63 percent. The act broadened the income tax base, raised the corporate tax rate from 12 percent to 13.75 percent, and increased the top estate tax rate from 20 percent to 45 percent.

Revenue Act of 1934.

Passed in May, this law broadened the income tax base and aimed to reduce tax avoidance (exacerbated by now-?higher tax rates) by increasing taxes on personal holding companies. The act also raised the top estate tax rate from 45 percent to 60 percent.



Revenue Act of 1935.
Passed in August, this law hiked top-?end individual income tax rates, with the highest rate rising from 63 percent to 79 percent. The act also increased taxes on corporations a number of ways, including raising the top corporate tax rate from 13.75 percent to 15 percent.


Revenue Act of 1937. This law broadened the income tax base

State and local governments jacked up taxes during the 1930s.

Property taxes hit hard in the early 1930s because assessments often remained high even as incomes were falling. Nationwide, property tax revenues increased from 4.3 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 1929 to 7.4 percent by 1932.

General sales taxes were adopted by 23 states during the 1930s.

Individual income taxes were adopted by 17 states during the 1930s.

Corporate income taxes were adopted by 15 states during the 1930s.



So YEAH it did.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:34 pm to
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No it is not. It's VERY relevant. Trump lowered taxes while starting Tariffs on goods with loopholes that created jobs.


quote:

No it's not.

Revenue Act of 1932.
The law was signed in June but retroactive to January. It increased all individual income tax rates with the top rate rising from 25 percent to 63 percent. The act broadened the income tax base, raised the corporate tax rate from 12 percent to 13.75 percent, and increased the top estate tax rate from 20 percent to 45 percent.

Revenue Act of 1934.
Passed in May, this law broadened the income tax base and aimed to reduce tax avoidance (exacerbated by now-?higher tax rates) by increasing taxes on personal holding companies. The act also raised the top estate tax rate from 45 percent to 60 percent.


Is English your 2nd language?
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:39 pm to
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He has no idea that FDR raised income tax levels to 60% to fund the federal gov.



Well that's wrong






income tax rates with the top rate rising from 25 percent to 63 percent.

So 63% isn't 60%.. you are right. It's higher.

this law hiked top-?end individual income tax rates, rising from 63 percent to 79 percent.

You are right.... It's not 60%... it's higher... it was 79%..

BUT HEY.. At least you are right.



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Is English your 2nd language?


Bless your soul... LOL!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:48 pm to
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Bless your soul... LOL!


quote:

He has no idea that FDR raised income tax levels to 60% to fund the federal gov.


quote:

Well that's wrong


Hopefully me dumbing it down to a 75-IQ level guided you through this simple process.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53630 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:55 pm to
I see he is going to argue against that too. You are going to be here a long time and he still is not going to grasp it.

He really isn't here for another purpose than to be a contrainan.

He is going to oppose everything for the sake of his rocks getting off.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53630 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 1:57 pm to
There is no need in him dumbing it down for you to sub 75 IQ.

The fact do not take into consideration of you not grasping them. He showed you and the board that incomes taxes did reach 60%.

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1670 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 2:00 pm to
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I see he is going to argue against that too. You are going to be here a long time and he still is not going to grasp it.

He really isn't here for another purpose than to be a contrainan.

He is going to oppose everything for the sake of his rocks getting off.


He does the same thing on the political board. Weirdly defended the Gov of Ma for placing illegal immigrant children in shelters and hotels that were staffed with pedos and people with sexual assault charges. His defense "They are everywhere so.."
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/22/24 at 2:17 pm to
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I see he is going to argue against that too

Naw, because it has no place in this discussion.
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