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re: Is apartment living really all that great?
Posted on 11/18/18 at 6:47 am to lynxcat
Posted on 11/18/18 at 6:47 am to lynxcat
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Because owning a home does not always generate wealth.
Nothing in life is guaranteed. If you look at the history of the US housing market the overwhelming majority have generated wealth from home ownership.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 7:24 am to Claymation213
Apartment living can be outstanding if you don't plan on staying put for several years.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 8:53 am to ItNeverRains
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If you look at the history of the US housing market the overwhelming majority have generated wealth from home ownership.
i think the social/employment paradigms that made this such a truism in the past are eroding
when you have the factory that your dad worked for there to give you regular employment through your working life (and a pension!), it normalizes the value of home ownership. when these opportunities decrease, things become much less stable
we're living in an increasingly mobile society. just think about the current stories of jobs being in area A and unemployed people living in area B, stuck there because of, primarily, a mortgage (or, more specifically, that dream of wealth accumulation creating a major sunk cost fallacy). that pattern is going to continue to increase. this is going to disproportionately affect lower-middle/middle class, uneducated workers trying to "accumulate wealth" through their home (the very demo your comments are historically referencing)
where real home-wealth accumulation is occurring is in urban areas where upper-middle/upper class people are making bank
historically, your comment made sense. today it makes a lot less sense, especially for the people who need to use this to accumulate wealth. making the wrong decision on housing also will disproportionately destroy their economic future more often
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
The calculation of whether home ownership generates more wealth than rent is actually quite complex. It isn’t simply a question of buying at price A and selling at higher price B...voila, profit. For starters, baking in transaction cost of acquiring and selling the property, maintenance, insurance, taxes; upgrades, HOA/fees, mortgage interest net of tax benefits...then factor in the opportunity cost of downpayments that become illiquid rather than potentially higher returns in the market (likely even more on a risk-adjusted basis since those funds are diversified rather than exposure to a single asset class in a single market).
Housing is an expense first and foremost. It’s required to live and any wealth generation from it is appreciated but not the reason for home ownership.
Housing is an expense first and foremost. It’s required to live and any wealth generation from it is appreciated but not the reason for home ownership.
This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 11/18/18 at 10:18 am to lynxcat
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mortgage interest net of tax benefits
And with the change in the standard deduction, the already tenuous math became much more difficult now that someone married filing jointly needs to clear $24k in interest/other deductions before it even begins to matter.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:29 pm to Claymation213
As a guy who has done both I look at this choice as a series of smaller questions:
Do I want living flexibility (i.e. the ability to cut ties and move at the drop of a hat)? Apartment
Do I want maximum return on investment? House
Do I want minimal upkeep? Apartment
Do I want freedom to decorate or occupy as I desire? House
Value them as you must.
Do I want living flexibility (i.e. the ability to cut ties and move at the drop of a hat)? Apartment
Do I want maximum return on investment? House
Do I want minimal upkeep? Apartment
Do I want freedom to decorate or occupy as I desire? House
Value them as you must.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 7:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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historically, your comment made sense. today it makes a lot less sense, especially for the people who need to use this to accumulate wealth. making the wrong decision on housing also will disproportionately destroy their economic future more often
Do you know anyone who bought a home after 2008 crash who has had their primary residence depreciate in value? What is your metric for recent?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 7:30 am to ItNeverRains
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Do you know anyone who bought a home after 2008 crash who has had their primary residence depreciate in value?
it was stated earlier that this is a hyper-local phenomenon, but it's going to his LC hard in a few years, for one example
i imagine Nola is going to have a nuclear-level implosion within the next 10 years. no way a city on life support economically can afford to maintain that level of housing cost. BR is flattening/about to flatten
Posted on 11/19/18 at 7:34 am to ItNeverRains
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Do you know anyone who bought a home after 2008 crash who has had their primary residence depreciate in value? What is your metric for recent?
If it stays flat or depreciates slowly that's bad enough
You have to come up with a pretty significant chunk of change to close on a house and if you need to sell it you're looking at a pretty hefty commission.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 7:41 am to SlowFlowPro
The biggest issue nationally is that housing price inflation has far outpaced wage growth. To think this won't be an issue sooner than later is being naive.
Locally LC will be hurting soon. Too many prospectors overbuilding right now.
Locally LC will be hurting soon. Too many prospectors overbuilding right now.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 7:54 am to stout
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The biggest issue nationally is that housing price inflation has far outpaced wage growth.
Isn't a large part of that due to the square footage of newer houses increasing as well though?
Not everyone needs a 3K+ square foot house
Posted on 11/19/18 at 7:58 am to Powerman
That's a small portion of it IMO but there's a lot to consider as to why pricing is so absurd. Just looking at lot costs alone in some areas tells me we're heading into a needed correction.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:05 am to stout
Well obviously real estate markets are driven largely by geographic location
Was just wondering because I was reading an article a while back about increasing home values (in aggregate, not on an individual basis) being tied to increased size of new construction homes
i.e. a portion of the increased median home value can be attributed to an uptick in median home size
Was just wondering because I was reading an article a while back about increasing home values (in aggregate, not on an individual basis) being tied to increased size of new construction homes
i.e. a portion of the increased median home value can be attributed to an uptick in median home size
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 8:06 am
Posted on 11/20/18 at 10:55 am to Chimlim
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Apartment living has its perks. However, rent was going up at the place I lived at. And my neighbors were always arguing, and left alarm clocks running all morning and they had a fricking loud arse dog whom they locked up when they left so he barked non stop. It wasn't worth it anymore. Getting a house was a much better choice.
That sounds awful. If the landlord/manager wasn’t willing to do anything, I would be gone with a quickness.
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