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re: Inflation Cooling with CPI report

Posted on 6/12/24 at 5:19 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/12/24 at 5:19 pm to
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He’ll just gloss right over this response


We don’t measure inflation cumulatively because it essentially always is increasing. The rate of change is all anyone on the Money Talk should consider as we’re forward looking here.

The cumulative change discussion is what we worry about at the dinner table in our households, but it tells us very little about what is to come.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93157 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:01 am to
PPI cooling. Inital jobless claims up


Starting to crack
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:06 am to
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PPI cooling. Inital jobless claims up


Starting to crack


Quite possibly. PPI has been erratic thus far this year so I would like to see another month of down MoM but Initial Claims haven't been at this level for almost a year. If this isn't an early signal, it's doing a pretty good impersonation of one.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93157 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:13 am to
Imagine if they were honest about the jobs numbers would love to see where unemployment would really be at
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11842 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:20 am to
Real unemployment is 7.4%

Posted by Bard
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:26 am to
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Imagine if they were honest about the jobs numbers would love to see where unemployment would really be at


Agreed. I generally try to give more weight to Initial and Continued claims rather than the Unemployment number but often they seem to tell the same story.

That said, over the last 2-3 months I've noticed an increasing number of people in various forums talking about how they are having trouble finding a job. It wasn't until recently that I realized I hadn't seen that many mentions of job-hunting difficulties since the Unemployment rate was in the 5% range. That makes me wonder if the numbers aren't being fudged or if reporting is more lagging than I thought (or both).
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:28 am to
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Real unemployment is 7.4%



Exactly. Powell even called out the BS yesterday so we will see next jobs numbers
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
7578 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:00 am to
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Real unemployment is 7.4%



I feel like some people here talk out of both sides of their mouth.

"The economy is actually pretty bad right now, the numbers they are giving are low" ... yes, agreed.

"We can't cut rates with these numbers"

Ok, well, which is it? I think rate cuts being on the table tell you how they really feel about the economy.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38368 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:58 am to
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We don’t measure inflation cumulatively because it essentially always is increasing. The rate of change is all anyone on the Money Talk should consider as we’re forward looking here.

The cumulative change discussion is what we worry about at the dinner table in our households, but it tells us very little about what is to come.
Correct. e.g. The price deck was up ~9% when trump was POTUS and "inflation was low".
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29200 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:02 pm to
Anecdotally, I have had more people walking in looking for jobs in the past three months than I've seen in the past three years.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:04 pm to
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Gotta try to save Biden



I always find these comments perplexing. The Fed is an autonomous agency chaired by a Republican. Has it ever occurred to anyone that Powell is doing a decent job taming inflation? He can't roll back the clock, but he can deliver a soft landing. FFS not everything is about the presidency.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 12:05 pm
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