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https://replaceyourmortgage.com/ - any thoughts on this

Posted on 1/3/22 at 4:08 pm
Posted by jlsufan
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2021
356 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 4:08 pm
basic idea is replace a mortgage with a first position HELOC instead and dump all income into HELOC since interest is calculated daily

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Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
87011 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 5:13 pm to
Macquarie loans have been around for a while now
You have to be really on point to make it work

If you try and explain to someone its not the easiest
Posted by tigeralum06
Member since Oct 2007
2842 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 5:27 pm to
It seems great for people that have no concept of time value of money.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
11894 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 5:50 pm to
So you want me to use my HELOC as essentially a debit card? That seems like a risky proposition.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
14314 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

So you want me to use my HELOC as essentially a debit card? That seems like a risky proposition

So… I pretty much do this. I have a mortgage and a HELOC. I always carry a balance on the HELOC. It allows me to always be putting dollars to work somewhere and not sitting around in a savings account or checking account doing nothing.

I have money invested in a brokerage account I could use to pay off the HELOC at any time. But I like the idea of always putting money to work somewhere either investing or paying down debt.

It’s not a strategy for most people.


Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
4744 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 7:35 pm to
I leverage my HELOC to flip real estate (it acts as cash if buying or can be used as a down payment) or get real estate long enough to refi into a normal loan once I have the $ saved up for a down payment if doing a rental. Commercial loans for the other 80% if I got the loan route.
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 7:39 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36661 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

So you want me to use my HELOC as essentially a debit card?


ETA

So if interest is calculated daily. And you dump your entire paycheck into "paying down" the heloc temporarily? And then you have your bills synchronized to be due at the same time?

What's the optimal setup for this to create marginal savings? Or is this mostly about coordinating the paying down of the mortgage more quickly?
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 8:15 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:52 pm to
I dont think phitiger is paying down his mortgage with the heloc.

It sounds like he is investing his money (and betting that he can beat a 4% return).

If you normally carry cash in savings/checking, you can use this method to dump those liquid assets into your first mortgage and use the heloc as your checking/debit account.

I dont do this. But if you are looking to squeeze every penny out of your resources, it works.

Your benefit is "cash on hand" times your 1st mortgage interest rate. And you compound these savings yoy.
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
14314 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

I dont think phitiger is paying down his mortgage with the heloc.

It sounds like he is investing his money (and betting that he can beat a 4% return).


Correct. I have no interest in paying down my mortgage at all.

And my HELOC is currently at 2.49% through my credit union. If/when rates begin to rise I’ll likely begin paying down the debt more. Only been doing this about 18 months or so..
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:49 pm to
quote:

It allows me to always be putting dollars to work somewhere and not sitting around in a savings account or checking account doing nothing.



bingo, velocity banking is great. not for everybody. being a RE investor it works great for me.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:52 pm to
many tips and tricks on how to use these lines of credit not only to pay stuff down but to invest with them. in all kinds of investments. investments that yield far more than the interest you pay on the LOC.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36661 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

dont think phitiger is paying down his mortgage with the heloc.

It sounds like he is investing his money (and betting that he can beat a 4% return).


And in the case of a market downturn he still has the free capital to absorb the loss without having to liquidate assets at a loss?
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 1/4/22 at 12:22 am to
quote:

Correct. I have no interest in paying down my mortgage at all.

And my HELOC is currently at 2.49% through my credit union. If/when rates begin to rise I’ll likely begin paying down the debt more. Only been doing this about 18 months or so..



An alternative to this (aimed at those considering leveraging into their primary residence, not those of you who do it and want to change methods) is an interest-only mortgage.
I’m on a 7/1 ARM, 30-year mortgage. The first 120 payments are only interest. The last 240 are a standard 20-year term on the ARM. Obviously, no payoff penalty, nothing prevents you from putting equity in if you want to over the first 10 years.


With where rates were ~28 months ago when we went this route, and our age, it made sense to move our “equity” payment into paying down other debt faster (student loan interest isn’t deductible for me, and wife and I combined for around $300K of student loan debt, now down to around $70K here about 3.5y later. This shift has allowed me to refinance my student debt twice, and the balance sheet + rates have gotten to be great. I would probably end “the game” better off with stretching my loan out a bit longer and putting more into a brokerage (already got all my “limited space” accounts/buckets filled in), but I like the idea of getting out from under non-mortgage debt. Then when it’s out, I don’t get a raise, I get a bigger brokerage. Then when year 10 hits or rates rise, I’m in position to refi to another 10-year interest only period (another 30-year term). To maximize the strategy, you would do a cash-out refi at the end of the interest-only period, and having the value of the house on hand in a brokerage, it may be reasonable, but I probably will skip THAT step.




Now, in terms of using a HELOC as a “debit” account, it’s really nothing you couldn’t just do a strict budget and toss every penny at the house and accomplish. It’s gimmicky, and I don’t really want to tie up a ton of net worth in equity while I’m young and can take the risk (house is a little under 1x annual income, we don’t particularly love expensive things or cars, etc). Like PhiTiger said, it’s not for everyone. But if you want to leverage your home, there are a few ways to do it.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 1/4/22 at 7:10 am to
I did an interest only on my first home. The rate was about 2% lower than a 30 year at that time (tied to libor i think).
I made a normal 30 year mortgage payment amortized at 6% (the going rate about 18 years ago) and got out of pmi in about 2 years. The advantage then was how low the arm rates were. But you make a great point about how low they are now and how that can be leveraged for personal goals.
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