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How much is enough
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:07 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:07 am
This is the unanswerable question, but we are 20-25 years out from retirement and have a good start on things, but I keep going back and forth on sacrificing now for later and having too much when I can’t do anything or spending more before retirement and having $3,500,000 as my goal. What are everyone’s thoughts on this?
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:08 am to TigerGrad2011
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What are everyone’s thoughts on this
What is your retirement age going to be?
Is the $3.5m your only retirement (other than SS)?
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:09 am to TigerGrad2011
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$3,500,000 as my goal.
That's Donald Trump level retirement income.
Depends on a lot of missing details. How much debt will you have at retirement? What will you desire your lifestyle to be?
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:09 am to Ace Midnight
Let’s just say 65 for retirement age, the $3.5M is it not including Social Security.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:13 am to TigerGrad2011
33x your annual spending post tax (inflation adjusted)
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:13 am to kywildcatfanone
The missing details are the things I can’t plan for and what I’m stuck on. We love to travel, but we are wondering if saving more for travel when we are in our 60’s and 70’s is worth it since the travel might not be as much fun because of our lack of mobility and health.
Debt load will be whatever house we have left and a car every 7 years or so.
Debt load will be whatever house we have left and a car every 7 years or so.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:13 am to TigerGrad2011
Base it off your spending at a 3% withdrawal rate if 55 or younger. If you are 62 or so 4% withdrawal rate should be good. So at 100k at 55 you need 3.3mil
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:15 am to tigersfan1989
Where we are stuck at is missing out now, and then dying with a pile of cash because we weren’t able to enjoy retirement.
I know what all the calculators say with the 3/4%, but this is more of a what would you give up now for more later versus what would you do now, but not get to do on the back end.
I know what all the calculators say with the 3/4%, but this is more of a what would you give up now for more later versus what would you do now, but not get to do on the back end.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 8:16 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:23 am to TigerGrad2011
So do you not have an enjoyable life now and are delaying gratification until retirement? By maxing out my 401k and my wife and I iras i have no issue spending the rest in the now is how I balance things out.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 8:27 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:30 am to tigersfan1989
Don’t get me wrong, it’s enjoyable, but I’m sitting there looking at spending some extra money on some LSU tickets, a yearly family fishing or hunting trip, and an extra week vacation with the kids now or just hoarding that cash and regretting it.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:37 am to TigerGrad2011
If you are on track for 3-4% withdrawal rate I’d say go for the tickets etc
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:00 am to TigerGrad2011
It's always better to have too much, then not enough. I have a similar goal so I can be prepared if the market drops 3-5 years before retirement. I have seen too many people working a lot later in life then they wanted, because they did not properly save and were crippled by market drops.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:04 am to TigerGrad2011
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Let’s just say 65 for retirement age, the $3.5M is it not including Social Security.
So, let's assume a 20 year retirement, 15 reasonably healthy years - using the tired (but generally accurate) conventional wisdom of 4% withdrawal (at least those first 3 or 4 years), that's around $12k a month from the pot and just consider SS lagniappe. If your projected unavoidable retirement expenses are under $3500, you're probably completely fine with whatever you're going to do.
But, frankly, I wouldn't say that's overkill, either, because one never knows. If you're a homebody (like me), you're likely to overinvest in your home and be fine. If you plan to travel a lot, then downsizing your homebase can balance things out.
Retirement is a lot about expectations and contingencies - if you can manage both, reasonably, I think your goal should be around $2m to $3.5m. Realistically, I wouldn't sacrifice any more now to exceed $3m to $3.5m unless something drastically changes with inflation in the next couple of years or you expect to carry a huge mortgage or other debt into retirement (doesn't seem likely where you're at now).
Good luck with it.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:07 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:14 am to TigerGrad2011
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Don’t get me wrong, it’s enjoyable, but I’m sitting there looking at spending some extra money on some LSU tickets, a yearly family fishing or hunting trip, and an extra week vacation with the kids now or just hoarding that cash and regretting it.
I'll just leave you with some advice from my mother. She said, "No one has ever laid on their death bed and said 'I wish I'd had more money'".
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:39 am to AUHighPlainsDrifter
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l just leave you with some advice from my mother. She said, "No one has ever laid on their death bed and said 'I wish I'd had more money'".
I hear what you are saying and don’t necessarily disagree. However, do those at retirement age wish they could retire early, travel more, have the financial means to help out loved ones, etc? I think the question is a bit more complex, and I don’t think one size fits all. It’s tough to know what the balance is.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:11 am to TigerGrad2011
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We love to travel, but we are wondering if saving more for travel when we are in our 60’s and 70’s is worth it since the travel might not be as much fun because of our lack of mobility and health
If your mobility is suffering in your 60s and 70s it's your own fault for not planning ahead.
Just like with your finances, you have 25 years to invest for the future. If you ignore it, it's not going to take care of itself.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:31 am to Huey Lewis
With a home paid off, $3.5M should be plenty for a comfortable retirement.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:54 am to Huey Lewis
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If your mobility is suffering in your 60s and 70s it's your own fault for not planning ahead.
I’m just thinking about the safety of backpacking in the Swiss Alps or Scuba diving as a 70 year old might be a bit strenuous.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 11:28 am to TigerGrad2011
Keep in mind $100k in 25 years is likely to be equivalent to $50-60k today after inflation. So, maybe enough to live on but you won't be living extravagantly.
Make a few sacrifices now and if it plays out well you may reach your goals earlier and have real options.
Make a few sacrifices now and if it plays out well you may reach your goals earlier and have real options.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 10/6/20 at 11:45 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
I always do my projections inflation adjusted (using real returns). Estimated of course.
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