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How much is enough

Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:07 am
Posted by TigerGrad2011
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:07 am
This is the unanswerable question, but we are 20-25 years out from retirement and have a good start on things, but I keep going back and forth on sacrificing now for later and having too much when I can’t do anything or spending more before retirement and having $3,500,000 as my goal. What are everyone’s thoughts on this?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89545 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:08 am to
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What are everyone’s thoughts on this


What is your retirement age going to be?

Is the $3.5m your only retirement (other than SS)?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119195 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:09 am to
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$3,500,000 as my goal.


That's Donald Trump level retirement income.


Depends on a lot of missing details. How much debt will you have at retirement? What will you desire your lifestyle to be?
Posted by TigerGrad2011
Member since Aug 2016
1578 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:09 am to
Let’s just say 65 for retirement age, the $3.5M is it not including Social Security.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:13 am to
33x your annual spending post tax (inflation adjusted)
Posted by TigerGrad2011
Member since Aug 2016
1578 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:13 am to
The missing details are the things I can’t plan for and what I’m stuck on. We love to travel, but we are wondering if saving more for travel when we are in our 60’s and 70’s is worth it since the travel might not be as much fun because of our lack of mobility and health.

Debt load will be whatever house we have left and a car every 7 years or so.
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:13 am to
Base it off your spending at a 3% withdrawal rate if 55 or younger. If you are 62 or so 4% withdrawal rate should be good. So at 100k at 55 you need 3.3mil
Posted by TigerGrad2011
Member since Aug 2016
1578 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:15 am to
Where we are stuck at is missing out now, and then dying with a pile of cash because we weren’t able to enjoy retirement.

I know what all the calculators say with the 3/4%, but this is more of a what would you give up now for more later versus what would you do now, but not get to do on the back end.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 8:16 am
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:23 am to
So do you not have an enjoyable life now and are delaying gratification until retirement? By maxing out my 401k and my wife and I iras i have no issue spending the rest in the now is how I balance things out.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 8:27 am
Posted by TigerGrad2011
Member since Aug 2016
1578 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:30 am to
Don’t get me wrong, it’s enjoyable, but I’m sitting there looking at spending some extra money on some LSU tickets, a yearly family fishing or hunting trip, and an extra week vacation with the kids now or just hoarding that cash and regretting it.
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 8:37 am to
If you are on track for 3-4% withdrawal rate I’d say go for the tickets etc
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16414 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:00 am to
It's always better to have too much, then not enough. I have a similar goal so I can be prepared if the market drops 3-5 years before retirement. I have seen too many people working a lot later in life then they wanted, because they did not properly save and were crippled by market drops.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89545 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:04 am to
quote:

Let’s just say 65 for retirement age, the $3.5M is it not including Social Security.



So, let's assume a 20 year retirement, 15 reasonably healthy years - using the tired (but generally accurate) conventional wisdom of 4% withdrawal (at least those first 3 or 4 years), that's around $12k a month from the pot and just consider SS lagniappe. If your projected unavoidable retirement expenses are under $3500, you're probably completely fine with whatever you're going to do.

But, frankly, I wouldn't say that's overkill, either, because one never knows. If you're a homebody (like me), you're likely to overinvest in your home and be fine. If you plan to travel a lot, then downsizing your homebase can balance things out.

Retirement is a lot about expectations and contingencies - if you can manage both, reasonably, I think your goal should be around $2m to $3.5m. Realistically, I wouldn't sacrifice any more now to exceed $3m to $3.5m unless something drastically changes with inflation in the next couple of years or you expect to carry a huge mortgage or other debt into retirement (doesn't seem likely where you're at now).

Good luck with it.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 9:07 am
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3092 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:14 am to
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Don’t get me wrong, it’s enjoyable, but I’m sitting there looking at spending some extra money on some LSU tickets, a yearly family fishing or hunting trip, and an extra week vacation with the kids now or just hoarding that cash and regretting it.



I'll just leave you with some advice from my mother. She said, "No one has ever laid on their death bed and said 'I wish I'd had more money'".
Posted by CoolHand
Member since Dec 2011
2084 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 9:39 am to
quote:

l just leave you with some advice from my mother. She said, "No one has ever laid on their death bed and said 'I wish I'd had more money'".


I hear what you are saying and don’t necessarily disagree. However, do those at retirement age wish they could retire early, travel more, have the financial means to help out loved ones, etc? I think the question is a bit more complex, and I don’t think one size fits all. It’s tough to know what the balance is.
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4653 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:11 am to
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We love to travel, but we are wondering if saving more for travel when we are in our 60’s and 70’s is worth it since the travel might not be as much fun because of our lack of mobility and health



If your mobility is suffering in your 60s and 70s it's your own fault for not planning ahead.

Just like with your finances, you have 25 years to invest for the future. If you ignore it, it's not going to take care of itself.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24154 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:31 am to
With a home paid off, $3.5M should be plenty for a comfortable retirement.
Posted by TigerGrad2011
Member since Aug 2016
1578 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 10:54 am to
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If your mobility is suffering in your 60s and 70s it's your own fault for not planning ahead.


I’m just thinking about the safety of backpacking in the Swiss Alps or Scuba diving as a 70 year old might be a bit strenuous.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2132 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 11:28 am to
Keep in mind $100k in 25 years is likely to be equivalent to $50-60k today after inflation. So, maybe enough to live on but you won't be living extravagantly.

Make a few sacrifices now and if it plays out well you may reach your goals earlier and have real options.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 11:42 am
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/6/20 at 11:45 am to
I always do my projections inflation adjusted (using real returns). Estimated of course.
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