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re: Holding AMC Thread- Diamond hands unite

Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:32 pm to
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Let me ask you a very straightforward question. If there are 493 million outstanding shares, do you think the volumes we've seen the last 7 trading days is due to day traders?


Here's the problem with your synthetic shares story. You tell us that there's no way to know how many of them there are, and that we need to have this "share count" (another bingo square) to quantify them. Yet you seem to think that those shares are being captured in the trading volume that we all see...which, if it were true, they would be getting tracked.

So which is it? Are those tracked, or are they not tracked?
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4937 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:34 pm to
Every share traded is another fake share being created by the evil hedgies
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14320 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:37 pm to
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Anything above 30 today is a W in my mind

20% ROI in one day? Yeah, I don't mind that at all!
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14320 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:40 pm to
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Here's the problem with your synthetic shares story. You tell us that there's no way to know how many of them there are, and that we need to have this "share count" (another bingo square) to quantify them. Yet you seem to think that those shares are being captured in the trading volume that we all see...which, if it were true, they would be getting tracked.

So which is it? Are those tracked, or are they not tracked?
You know how I know that you have no idea what you are talking about? Your quote above is a prime example!

Tell me this, Einstein, if every share that is shorted, has to be borrowed, how is it possible to short a stock more than 100%?
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31324 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:42 pm to
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Anything above 30 today is a W in my mind
20% ROI in one day? Yeah, I don't mind that at all!

I know right? The effort made in this mental Dick measuring contest is completely pointless especially considering AMC keeps rising and making money. And if there’s no merit to any of the synthetic shares, why the effort for all the cloak and dagger? People are going out of their way to tell us how overvalued it is, yet it keeps making money.

That won’t last forever and when it ends it’s likely going to fall far short of “da moon”, but there’s enough craziness going on to at least make you think.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35843 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:49 pm to
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Tell me this, Einstein, if every share that is shorted, has to be borrowed, how is it possible to short a stock more than 100%?


It's borrowed more than once. Now answer my question.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:52 pm to
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And if there’s no merit to any of the synthetic shares, why the effort for all the cloak and dagger?


What cloak and dagger stuff are you referencing?

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People are going out of their way to tell us how overvalued it is, yet it keeps making money.


AMC themselves have basically told you the stock is overvalued. From the “Risks” section of their disclosure today:

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· our market capitalization, as implied by various trading prices, currently reflects valuations that diverge significantly from those seen prior to recent volatility and that are significantly higher than our market capitalization immediately prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, and to the extent these valuations reflect trading dynamics unrelated to our financial performance or prospects, purchasers of our Class A common stock could incur substantial losses if there are declines in market prices driven by a return to earlier valuations;
Posted by PennyPacker
Where things are bigger and better
Member since Jan 2010
1063 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 2:52 pm to
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has the biggest fricking balls


oh, we are doing this now?? well maybe I should jump in...
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14320 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:05 pm to
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It's borrowed more than once.
So, in other words, A SYNTHETIC SHARE WAS CREATED? I don't know if you know this (probably not) but you aren't supposed to be able to borrow a share if it is already associated with a short position.

Keep making a fool of yourself. It's quite entertaining!
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:05 pm to
Ending the day at $32.04? Great day baws!
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14320 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:08 pm to
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So which is it? Are those tracked, or are they not tracked?
I'm going to assume, mainly because you have demonstrated multiple times that you are fairly uneducated, that you don't know what "Dark Pools" are. Are the transactions done in dark pools made available to the public? Hell, does the SEC even know what is really going on there?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35843 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:08 pm to
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So, in other words, A SYNTHETIC SHARE WAS CREATED? I don't know if you know this (probably not) but you aren't supposed to be able to borrow a share if it is already associated with a short position.

Keep making a fool of yourself. It's quite entertaining!


But you still haven't answered my question. Are those tracked in the daily trading numbers you just referenced, or are they not? It's a yes or no question. And if the answer is yes, please help me understand what the point of your "share count" is. Also, keep in mind that all shorting of the stock is captured in the short % of float. So there's no mystery there.

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you are fairly uneducated


This is rich, coming from you. Please tell me again how options are priced.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 3:12 pm
Posted by ShootingsBricks4Life
Member since May 2017
2601 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:19 pm to
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Ending the day at $32.04? Great day baws!



Just a friendly reminder that things still look pretty good. Getting harder to read through the nonsense.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14320 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:23 pm to
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But you still haven't answered my question. Are those tracked in the daily trading numbers you just referenced, or are they not? It's a yes or no question. And if the answer is yes, please help me understand what the point of your "share count" is.

Look one post up from yours, goofball.

I really don't know how many times I have to explain it to you, because it's getting pretty obvious that you may not have the ability to comprehend, so I'm probably just wasting my time.

But here is goes anyway.

Utilization has been near 100% for AMC for many months now. There was not many shares to borrow to short. Citadel wanted to keep shorting the stock to drive the price down, so they routed a crap ton of trades thru dark pools, thereby creating a huge amount of synthetic shares. Their little plan didn't quite work out, and they are corner. A share count will expose this, resulting in shorts like Citadel having to purchase share to replace the synthetic ones they created. What happens when demand exceeds supply? Come on, you know the answer! And what happens if someone like Citadel is FORCED to purchase those shares, and retail owns 80% of them and collectively decides they don't want to sell a single share for say, less than $1000/share? That's right! Citadel has to buy at that price! Now, what if Citadel doesn't have that kind of money? They get liquidated, and the DTCC with their $63 Trillion make up the difference.

You see, this is exactly why we all saw the DTCC pass all these new rules governing institutions, in the last couple of months. They know that this is very likely, and do not ever want to be put in this situation again. Exactly why this is probably the last big short squeeze you will ever see. Everything is now changed, and a leash has been put on hedges.

Posted by Sasquatch2020
Member since Oct 2020
519 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:27 pm to
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Ending the day at $32.04? Great day baws!


going to be even sweeter to see it say $32,401.03
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35843 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:28 pm to
Dark pool trades, to my understanding, are tracked in terms of number of shares traded, and reflected in the daily activity number once executed and reported. A dark pool simply allows for anonymity in the terms of who is trading them.

And any shares created through shorting of the stock would be known, as I said above, and reflected in the short % of float. So I still have no idea what your share count is doing. Maybe it's just me, but what you're suggesting does not appear to be at all accurate.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 3:30 pm
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14320 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:30 pm to
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But you still haven't answered my question. Are those tracked in the daily trading numbers you just referenced, or are they not? It's a yes or no question. And if the answer is yes, please help me understand what the point of your "share count" is. Also, keep in mind that all shorting of the stock is captured in the short % of float. So there's no mystery there.


Ok, it's confirmed. You lack the ability to comprehend.

LINK

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Dark pools are private exchanges for trading securities that are not accessible by the investing public. Also known as “dark pools of liquidity,” the name of these exchanges is a reference to their complete lack of transparency. Dark pools came about primarily to facilitate block trading by institutional investors who did not wish to impact the markets with their large orders and obtain adverse prices for their trades.


Here's a little fact that I'm sure you aren't aware of: A lot of AMC trades, sometimes HALF, were routed thru dark pools. How do you think inflow far outweighed outflow, yet the price dropped?

I believe the word you are looking for is, MANIPULATION.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35843 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:33 pm to
Lack of transparency in terms of WHO is trading them, until it's executed and reported.

I think it might be you who is confused. I'll add "dark pool" to the bingo card.

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A dark pool is a privately organized financial forum or exchange for trading securities. Dark pools allow institutional investors to trade without exposure until after the trade has been executed and reported. Dark pools are a type of alternative trading system (ATS) that give certain investors the opportunity to place large orders and make trades without publicly revealing their intentions during the search for a buyer or seller.

To avoid the transparency of public exchanges and ensure liquidity for large block trades, several of the investment banks established private exchanges, which came to be known as dark pools. For traders with large orders who are unable to place them on the public exchanges, or want to avoid telegraphing their intent, dark pools provide a market of buyers and sellers with the liquidity to execute the trade. In 2016, there were more than 50 dark pools operating in the United States, run mostly by investment banks.


It's all tracked, reported, and rolled up. Check it out for yourself.

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AMC Dark Pool Trades Dark pool trades reported for AMC have accounted for 60% of the total volume today. Over the past 20 days, the average dark pool volume has been 54%. Total volume in the dark pool is 245.3 million. The VWAP price for only the dark pool trades is 30.90.
This post was edited on 6/1/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14320 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:38 pm to
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going to be even sweeter to see it say $32,401.03

Giving me 15-20% gains DAILY is pretty sweet also! That's a fun ride!
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 6/1/21 at 3:40 pm to
what is a realistic price target on this stock ?

I bought at $2.32 last year. sold some the first time around @ $20. Still holding a nice chunk.
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