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For Sale By Owner questions

Posted on 6/27/18 at 8:50 am
Posted by Slickback
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Posted on 6/27/18 at 8:50 am
This will be the first time I’m selling a house, so I guess it’s the first time I considered how much realtor fees can cut into your equity.

Honestly, I’m failing to see the $18,000 value a realtor can bring. Has anyone listed FSBO and had successes or failures they can share?

I own a business and my employees can run the show without me, so I have flexibility for showings and closings, etc. However, I’ve never sold a home so I don’t necessarily know how (but I’m good at the google). Looking for pros/cons and any advice the expertise of the MB can offer.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50336 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 8:59 am to
You should be able to find someone who can do at least 2.5%

Welcome to the bullshite world of real estate agents. Not only are they given a flat % of sales when a monkey could sell it for 85% of value but they are incentivized to sell it quickly and for lower value.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
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Posted on 6/27/18 at 9:02 am to
2.5%? I thought 6% was the standard.

I’m in the most desirable school district in the area and up until a couple months ago (had like 7-8 hit the market in a couple week span), no house in our hood stayed on the market longer than a month. I think it’ll still sell fast and be a relatively easy sale.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/27/18 at 9:06 am to
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2.5%? I thought 6% was the standard.


Well you negotiate your agents fee first. Then depending on the market you may or may not be able to negotiate the buys agents fees. But as you can imagine, agents don't want to show their clients houses who have less than 3% fees for buyers.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12236 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 9:14 am to
For sale by owner doesn't have nearly the amount of eyes/traffic as being on a realtor website. If you have the flexibility to come and go as you please with your own business, then I would definitely try out FSBO for now. Try to get great pictures, though. The pictures need to really sell the house and I've come across so many terrible photo bundles of people's homes. Look at how many houses do it on realtor.com and see if you can replicate that yourself. I'd also see what it costs to go on zillow. People seem to use that a decent amount even though it's not as updated.

Do you have any particular time crunch to sell the house?
Posted by LSUvegasbombed
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/27/18 at 9:22 am to
quote:

For sale by owner doesn't have nearly the amount of eyes/traffic as being on a realtor website.


huh?

I see FSBO on Zillow\trulia and I think most people search using zillow and trulia. I also search FSBOBR as a third option on weekly basis

I dont use realtor websites as they all want email addresses, etc...
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12236 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 9:26 am to
I have seen so many houses on there last for months after being sold on zillow/trulia. It's not nearly as updated as realtor.com. That to me is by far the best tool for house searching in that regard (realtor app especially); however, zillow will have both FSBO and realtor houses so that is an advantage. I used a combination of both when searching for my house.
This post was edited on 6/27/18 at 9:28 am
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 9:41 am to
Sold my last one myself, no agent. Did not list it anywhere--simply used word of mouth. It was one of the cheapest houses in a great school district. Showed it to exactly two couples; second one bought it, and were happy to wait a few months until my under-construction house was finished. If you are in an A-rated school district and a smaller town/community where people know each other, it's dead easy to sell a house. Standard, legal in LA purchase agreements are easy to complete...

By skipping the agent's commission, I was able to sell at a price that made both buyer & I happy.

It all depends on demand for houses at your pricing point in your area....if you've got lots of personal contacts & are decent at networking, you don't need a RE agent.
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3820 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 9:48 am to
We did FSBO on our last house for the same reasons you mentioned. We added "realtors protected" to all of our marketing for it as to not turn away any potential buyers who have already gotten an agent. I would have felt better paying 3% than 6%. Luckily our buyer didn't have an agent.
Posted by yellowfin
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Member since May 2006
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Posted on 6/27/18 at 10:00 am to
quote:


huh?

I see FSBO on Zillow\trulia and I think most people search using zillow and trulia. I also search FSBOBR as a third option on weekly basis

I dont use realtor websites as they all want email addresses, etc...


Yeah but the ones listed with realtors are being emailed to potential buyers by their agent daily. Emailed to people that are actually shopping and not someone just surfing the web
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/27/18 at 10:40 am to
I’m regards to negotiating fees, I would assume I would have little-to-no success with say a Keller Williams/Remax agent, and better chances with a independent realtor or one with a local firm?
Posted by Dotherightthing
Member since Mar 2017
366 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 10:46 am to
You can obtain a MLS number for a fee through several different FSBO websites. You take pictures of your house and upload then it will be listed on Zillow and other real estate listings. I sold mine by owner but had realtors contact me directly to set up an appointment to show house. They came with their client. When the house sold they received a 2.5 or 3% commission but also wrote up the contracts.
Posted by thibtigerfan
Thibodaux
Member since Aug 2006
2460 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 10:54 am to
Did my last 3 pieces of property through Zillow and Facebook.
First house sold in 2 weeks ( 1st couple who looked)
Lot sold in 2 days (word of mouth to a family friend)
Other house sold in 3 weeks (3rd couple to come look and actually had a back up offer too)


I work in the industry and have a lot of FB friends who are also in the industry who share it. It can be done. Especially in a highly desirable neighborhood
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12236 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:02 am to
quote:

I sold mine by owner but had realtors contact me directly to set up an appointment to show house


This is one thing to also be aware of. This is not a bad idea, but on the flip side you will have NUMEROUS realtors try to get you to use them as your realtor when you list it on FSBO, zillow, etc. Just something to know.
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4583 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:44 am to
Just closed on my FSBO BR on June 15th. This is the second FSBO I've done - both were in high traffic areas. Otherwise, I do not think it gets the exposure you may need without being in the MLS. I paid a buyer agent 2.5%. Most of the work on a real estate transaction is on the buyer. The seller has a light load.

The interwebs are chiseling away at the traditional realtor function, but they can still today be the right choice in most situations. More traffic gives you better chance to get higher offer. I only showed to two prospective buyers and one of them was the one. Perhaps I could have gotten more money, but I had a realtor list it the prior year at near the same price and it did not sell. I sold it FSBO at a list price 97.3% of the realtor's previous listing. Price, Location, and the RIGHT buyer are all factors.
Posted by UnoMe
Here
Member since Dec 2007
5534 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:46 am to
I wasn't in a hurry to sell and had nice home in great location. I priced it with a little negotiation for buyer to counter offer.

So,I put sign in the yard and said you can do this, then the first 72 hours I was contacted by numerous realtors trying to list the home.

About a week later I was contacted by a realtor that had a buyer with financing approved and ready to close. We agreed to 2.5% realtor commission but my listed pricing was now firm. The lady came and looked had a contract that evening. I paid some commission, but not 6% and got what I was looking for on sale.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 11:58 am to
I'm thinking of doing this for the short term, and if can't sell in 3-6 months, get an agent. Farily certain if we list our house at 287k instead of 305k, it would sell quite fast (most houses in our neighborhood are in the 350-400k range, ours is a little smaller and paid 305k). No sweat off our backs as I have no need to move immediately. Just looking to do so in the next 1.5 years. I could list at 305 and just see where the offers come in. Anything above 287 is more in my pocket than getting an agent. I know they are better advertisement, but again, I have the time.

I'm slightly worried about the contractual side. But not that worried. I did FSBO when buying our first house. Was a little easier as we knew the sellers. Not well, but they worked with someone we knew, so not too far out on a limb when thinking about leaving ourselves open to contractual issues.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

We agreed to 2.5% realtor commission but my listed pricing was now firm


I understand the willingness to pay the buyer's agent commission. At least a negotiated value. I would try to make that a flat fee though. Just ethically, that's a grey area. Yes they represent the buyer and are looking for a percentage of the sale price. Typically it would be split with the agent who I have already finalized a deal with. But now they reach out to you as the seller and strike a deal. Who are they really representing now. Do they still have the buyers best interest in mind? At a %, they want them to buy at the highest dollar value. Seems like that's not in the buyers interest.
Posted by modes
Member since May 2017
257 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 12:44 pm to
We did the FSBO route for two months and only had a few showings. Money got tight bc we were between two homes, so I switched to an agent I knew and she sold it in a week at my asking price. $13k out of my pocket.

Zillow is free to list and is a hell of a tool. But when buyers are using agents the agents will likely not show a FSBO house unless you advertise you'll pay a buyers agent a fee (typically 2-2.5%).

Agents are in it for the money, not necessarily the buyers best interest. If a buyers sees your listing on zillow/fsbo and wants to see it, then their agent will probably show it to them but steer them in a different direction if no fee is attached.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118797 posts
Posted on 6/27/18 at 12:45 pm to
I did FSBO but offered a realtor 2% for a buyer and had a realtor bring me one. She did all the paperwork for the 2%.
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