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Financial Advice
Posted on 9/17/22 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/17/22 at 2:17 pm
Wife and I are about to schedule a meeting with a financial advisor to discuss our future financial goals. Here is some background info. We are in our early 30’s, no kids, and no debt except for our mortgage. Have a little over $250K in our savings account. I know it’s not doing any good by just sitting in a bank account so we want to put it to use. We were thinking about real estate. It would be nice to have a 2nd income per month. Would like to hear some ideas of what you would do. Thank you.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 2:54 pm to Tigersbr2nola
What do you have for retirement? 401k,roth?
Posted on 9/17/22 at 2:58 pm to WITNESS23
If I were in your position I’d go real estate. I’m almost 50 and kick myself every day that I didn’t start in my 30’s.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 3:10 pm to WITNESS23
We have about $100K in 401K. I just opened a Roth IRA last month. I know I should’ve opened one sooner.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 3:57 pm to Tigersbr2nola
Now is a good time to be taking advantage of the higher interest rates. If you're not in iBonds now you should be. 9.62% guaranteed return. Both you and your wife can individually buy $10k worth this calendar year and also you can gift each other $10k each ($20k total). Same thing next year, so $40k total. It's hard to beat that kind of return with rental yields even when real estate prices are low.
In general, now's a bad time to be buying real estate. The FED is raising rates to take money out of the stock and real estate markets. With interest rates on the rise you can already get almost a guaranteed 4% return on your money through treasury bills, CDs, and the like. That should increase down the line as well. It's realistic, if not likely, to assume that this could go to 6%. 6% times $250,000 is $15,000 per year. Achieving a return like that as a novice (or even experienced) investor in this real estate market would be hard to do.
Basically, you want to be taking advantage of all your tax advantaged accounts first, then invest in high yield cash equivalents, taxable brokerage and/or real estate. This is a good investment order to follow. Step 8 is where real estate investment could come in. LINK This one is good too. Step 9 is where real estate could come in LINK Honestly, post your financial situation on these forums and the finance nerds will give you good feedback on your situation. No need to pay 1% to the financial advisor.
In general, now's a bad time to be buying real estate. The FED is raising rates to take money out of the stock and real estate markets. With interest rates on the rise you can already get almost a guaranteed 4% return on your money through treasury bills, CDs, and the like. That should increase down the line as well. It's realistic, if not likely, to assume that this could go to 6%. 6% times $250,000 is $15,000 per year. Achieving a return like that as a novice (or even experienced) investor in this real estate market would be hard to do.
Basically, you want to be taking advantage of all your tax advantaged accounts first, then invest in high yield cash equivalents, taxable brokerage and/or real estate. This is a good investment order to follow. Step 8 is where real estate investment could come in. LINK This one is good too. Step 9 is where real estate could come in LINK Honestly, post your financial situation on these forums and the finance nerds will give you good feedback on your situation. No need to pay 1% to the financial advisor.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:20 pm to SaintsTiger
I would buy commercial real estate. Or buy multifamily.
And I wouldn’t say it’s a bad time to buy real estate. If it’s a long term hold as a retirement vehicle then you’re going to go through the peaks and valleys.
And I wouldn’t say it’s a bad time to buy real estate. If it’s a long term hold as a retirement vehicle then you’re going to go through the peaks and valleys.
Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:39 pm to Tigersbr2nola
I have enough local market exposure with my single family home. I have no interest in owning and managing another real estate property.
Personally, I would invest your $250K and get off the sidelines. Don’t watch it and it’ll work out passively.
Whatever you do, get it out of savings.
Personally, I would invest your $250K and get off the sidelines. Don’t watch it and it’ll work out passively.
Whatever you do, get it out of savings.
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 9/17/22 at 7:48 pm to Im4datigers
What kind of commercial? Office space is not exactly in demand right now given that the post COVID economy so many workers are remote. Don’t see that coming back anytime soon. And retail is hurting right now. We’re at the end of the debt cycle and people are buying less given historic inflation levels.
OP said he wants rental yields. Given he “only” has $250,000, a mainly appreciation type strategy doesn’t make sense. That’s more for wealthy people who can play the waiting game.
A good move for OP would be to learn real estate over the next few months or so while growing his cash cushion and earning guaranteed decent interest. Then he can pounce when he finds a good deal. Prices aren’t going up anytime soon, and may well fall. I know a lot of the asking prices for multi family listings I check occasionally have gone down by 5% or more in the last couple months.
OP said he wants rental yields. Given he “only” has $250,000, a mainly appreciation type strategy doesn’t make sense. That’s more for wealthy people who can play the waiting game.
A good move for OP would be to learn real estate over the next few months or so while growing his cash cushion and earning guaranteed decent interest. Then he can pounce when he finds a good deal. Prices aren’t going up anytime soon, and may well fall. I know a lot of the asking prices for multi family listings I check occasionally have gone down by 5% or more in the last couple months.
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:06 pm to lynxcat
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I have enough local market exposure with my single family home.
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I have no interest in owning and managing another real estate property.
sorry you hate nice COC return and positive cash flow. get a PM dummy
you may be the last one here that should give anyone advice on RE
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:09 pm to Tigersbr2nola
Here are some basic ideas you might have already covered:
1. Set aside some of that for an emergency fund that would last 6-12 months if illness, job loss, or other disaster struck
2. Max out your retirement contributions (401k and IRA). A non working spouse is also allowed to make IRA contributions when the family earns enough
3. Consider the I bonds treasuries for both you and your wife. Annually each person with a social security number can buy 10k worth. There are very high yields on these right now (over 9% atm, they adjust up or down based on inflation).
You can also technically do a gift towards the next calendar year (buy your 2023 I bonds) for both you and your wife - making the total amount you can invest 40k. Like every other investment there are significant details to understand:
A) appreciation (yields are recalculated twice annually,
B)need to let them mature at least 12 months,
C) you lose the last three months of interest if the bonds are not held five years or longer,
D) each person may be limited to 10k in withdrawal per year.
4. Think really really carefully before going into real estate. If you only buy one or two properties you will have to manage and maintain (screen tenants, collect rent, repairs on weekends, handle non payments etc) the property yourself or overpay a professional party to do this for you. This may not be to your advantage. Some tenants will view you as adversary making them poor and you rich. You will want to consider a LLC to shield your other assets from tenant and other party lawsuits. Legal fees chasing bad debt can bury you if you are unlucky. Some cities and states have very unfriendly laws on the books that put a non paying tenant turned squatter into a financial sinkhole for a Mom and Pop property owner.
In spite of what people say on the internet there's a lot of work and risk involved. Don't put yourself in a bad situation by investing before you thoroughly understand what you are committing your family to.
1. Set aside some of that for an emergency fund that would last 6-12 months if illness, job loss, or other disaster struck
2. Max out your retirement contributions (401k and IRA). A non working spouse is also allowed to make IRA contributions when the family earns enough
3. Consider the I bonds treasuries for both you and your wife. Annually each person with a social security number can buy 10k worth. There are very high yields on these right now (over 9% atm, they adjust up or down based on inflation).
You can also technically do a gift towards the next calendar year (buy your 2023 I bonds) for both you and your wife - making the total amount you can invest 40k. Like every other investment there are significant details to understand:
A) appreciation (yields are recalculated twice annually,
B)need to let them mature at least 12 months,
C) you lose the last three months of interest if the bonds are not held five years or longer,
D) each person may be limited to 10k in withdrawal per year.
4. Think really really carefully before going into real estate. If you only buy one or two properties you will have to manage and maintain (screen tenants, collect rent, repairs on weekends, handle non payments etc) the property yourself or overpay a professional party to do this for you. This may not be to your advantage. Some tenants will view you as adversary making them poor and you rich. You will want to consider a LLC to shield your other assets from tenant and other party lawsuits. Legal fees chasing bad debt can bury you if you are unlucky. Some cities and states have very unfriendly laws on the books that put a non paying tenant turned squatter into a financial sinkhole for a Mom and Pop property owner.
In spite of what people say on the internet there's a lot of work and risk involved. Don't put yourself in a bad situation by investing before you thoroughly understand what you are committing your family to.
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:18 pm to Fat Bastard
I already have hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in my local market. I do not have interest in investing hundreds of thousand more in the same geography. Nor do I want to deal with the management of a property.
RE is a great asset class but it’s very easy to be over rotated into it.
I would fully expect you to respond as you did
RE is a great asset class but it’s very easy to be over rotated into it.
I would fully expect you to respond as you did
This post was edited on 9/17/22 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:26 pm to molsusports
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D) each person may be limited to 10k in withdrawal per year.
Source?
Posted on 9/17/22 at 9:36 pm to SaintsTiger
That detail was from a webinar. I can't vouch for the limit on withdrawal because I have not been able to confirm from the treasury website
Posted on 9/17/22 at 11:35 pm to Tigersbr2nola
They will say to buy mutual funds. That's all they ever say.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 4:39 am to lynxcat
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I have enough local market exposure with my single family home.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 6:40 am to lynxcat
Unless you are a do it yourselfer, real estate sounds like a headache to me. Tenants can be a real PIA.
Posted on 9/18/22 at 1:38 pm to Tigersbr2nola
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We have about $100K in 401K. I just opened a Roth IRA last month. I know I should’ve opened one sooner.
Never too late
Good for you for doing this now
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