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re: Credit Card Rewards and Points Discussion

Posted on 4/20/18 at 9:12 pm to
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/20/18 at 9:12 pm to
My credit score dropped 20 points after getting the capital one venture card. From 812 to 792. This is my 10th credit card and have never seen my score drop more than 3-4 points.

Anyone seen anything like that before? No reason one card should do that.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40187 posts
Posted on 4/20/18 at 10:50 pm to
For one, the score you are getting may/is probably not the real one anyways.

Side note Capital One pulls from all three credit bureaus

Only temporary anyways so no big deal at 792
This post was edited on 4/20/18 at 10:51 pm
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14907 posts
Posted on 4/21/18 at 12:12 pm to
Rux, would you mind posting your email? I have some questions and don’t want to clutter the thread/board.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/21/18 at 6:51 pm to
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This post was edited on 4/21/18 at 10:54 pm
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14907 posts
Posted on 4/21/18 at 9:34 pm to


will shoot you an email tomorrow. Respond whenever you feel like it.
Posted by ArchieWho22
Member since May 2014
91 posts
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:36 am to
Feel like you guys will give me the best answer in regards to what card I should open next. Haven't opened a card in over a year so no limits to worry about. In order of opening cards I went.

Bank of America Cash Rewards Card (2013)
Discover IT Card (2013)
Chase Freedom Card (2014)
AMEX Delta Gold Card (2015)
Citi Bank American Airlines AAdvantage Card (2016)

With the type of work I am in, I very rarely travel and when I do it for personal reasons usually stay at Airbnb rentals.

I probably spend 1-1.5k each month across the cards I have.

Have a few big purchases coming up so if any recommendations have spend bonuses attached that should not be a problem either.

TIA
Posted by TTownTiger
Austin
Member since Oct 2007
5336 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:21 am to
I assume one of the first questions you will be asked is what do you want out of your new card - Cash back? Longer intro 0% APR to help with those large purchases you need to make? Flexible reward points that can be spent on a variety of ways?

I am guessing travel rewards (plane/hotel points) isnt a priority since you mentioned you dont travel often but the last card you opened is a citi aadvantage card which pairs with american airlines. So maybe you're thinking of traveling eventually?

There are a lot more knowledgeable posters in this thread that can help you narrow down your search. But without knowing anything about what you're looking for and taking pure travel cards out of the equation, I'd suggest looking into the chase sapphire cards. Chase Ultimate Reward points are very flexible as they can be used for cash back, online shopping, travel, etc. so you aren't tied down to one specific way to spend them. There is a 50,000 point bonus after spending $4000 in the first three months which is considered one of the best intro bonuses available. Since you already own the Chase Freedom, you can pair the Freedom & Sapphire to build points very quickly (use the freedom for the quarterly bonus categories at 5x points and use the sapphire for travelling/restaurants for 2x or 3x points depending on which sapphire card you get). Maybe even consider opening the Chase Freedom Unlimited card (no annual fees with this one) with a Sapphire card together to complete the Chase Trifecta thats often talked about. The Freedom Unlimited card will give you an additional 1.5X points on all purchases not included in the bonus categories of the Freedom & Sapphire cards.

Just a quick first suggestion to look into. Again, much more knowledgeable posters in this thread can likely help you much more.

Edit: Chase Ultimate Rewards points are more valuable when used on travelling. Which I am sure other posters will point out . So that is why the Sapphire cards are considered some of the best travelling cards. But, as I mentioned, without knowing what you're looking for specifically that's just a quick suggestion since the points can be used a number of ways. If you come back and say you specifically want a cash back card or something else specific, then that likely changes the entire suggestion.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 9:33 am
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9891 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:22 am to
You're going to get a lot of chase and sapphire reserve recommendations, so I'll offer a different perspective.

In the few months I've been following the credit card game, chase has made consistent efforts to alienate potential customers and reduce the benefits of being a chase cardholder. 5/24 rule, account shutdowns, the handling of the IHG free night certficate, removing price and purchase protections from their cards, etc. Btw, they are now dropping the protection perks from the sapphire reserve card, which comes with a $450 annual fee.

All of that to say, don't just sign up for a chase card because everyone says they are the best card and best program. It's not necessarily true anyway, and it's definitely less true now than it probably was 2 years ago. Do your own research and figure out what's best for you.

If you want to go with chase, I would definitely suggest sapphire preferred instead of sapphire reserve for your situation. Perks are not all that different for what your use looks like it will be, and it's $95 annual fee instead of $450. Plus I think it still has a 60,000 point signup bonus compared to 50,000 for reserve. If you are able/willing to get a business card, there are rumors the ink preferred will be coming out with a 100,000 point signup bonus in the near future.

If you are willing to look outside of chase, there are a few Amex cards you should consider, especially considering your upcoming few big purchases. You also don't currently have any membership rewards cards for Amex. Depending on what and how much these purchases are, either the Amex gold or platinum cards could be good options and both have lucrative signup bonuses if you look around a little.

The capital one venture card may be worth looking into as well if you want to just keep things simple.
Posted by HawkeyePierce
Member since Feb 2008
21 posts
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:27 pm to
Long time lurker, but have gotten alot out of this thread so hopefully can contribute back a bit.

As everyone else has said depends on what you want. It looks like you have a good set of Cashback cards between the BOA, IT, and Freedom.

For a big new purchase (and assuming you don't want specific types of points like Chase Ultimate Rewards/Amex Membership Rewards), I'd also consider the Citi Double Cash Back card. This isn't just for the cashback, but they have Price Rewind, Purchase Protection and Extended Warranty coverage that comes included with the card at no annual fee. I would double check though, because there was some talk of them getting rid of these around the same time that Chase got rid of theirs. And apparently they have a bonus for $100 back after $500 spend.

Also, remember that you don't have to redeem UR or Amex rewards for travel. You can always just exchange them for gift cards (even if it's not the best redemption).

Also, if you use reddit, the Churning subreddit has a daily discussion and question thread that I've used before for advice. Very knowledgable and very active.

Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9891 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 6:20 pm to
quote:

In the few months I've been following the credit card game, chase has made consistent efforts to alienate potential customers and reduce the benefits of being a chase cardholder. 5/24 rule, account shutdowns, the handling of the IHG free night certficate, removing price and purchase protections from their cards, etc. Btw, they are now dropping the protection perks from the sapphire reserve card, which comes with a $450 annual fee.


Apparently we can now add the possibility of not being able to combine your UR from multiple cards into 1 single account to the list of things chase is doing to give the middle finger to customers.

LINK

Chase guys, if this turns out to be true is this a deal breaker for you?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
52137 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:30 pm to
What makes an annual fee worth it?
Posted by wizziko
New Jersey Nets Fan
Member since Jan 2006
35881 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 11:29 pm to
From that link, the Freedom unlimited is 3% cash back for the first year

No sign up bonus though

Direct Link
Posted by TheChiefHasArrived
Member since Dec 2011
709 posts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:48 am to
Just signed up for the Ink Cash and was about to get the 3% Freedom Unlimited. Not being able to transfer may change that, though.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30169 posts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 8:19 am to
Limitations on point pooling would absolutely be a dealbreaker for me. The reason the Chase ecosystem is so attaractive is because you can funnel everything to your best card. If that ends, I would have a hard time justifying keeping any cards with annual fees.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40187 posts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:17 am to
Ya, Chase could only be considering this if they think they have effectively captured the market and people would just stick to them due to less valuable options being all that's left. Or they are losing a ton of money, because I don't know why you'd want to give up the juggernaut they've created otherwise.

I'd likely just go gangbusters on applications and be a true free agent without care for 5/24.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30169 posts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:04 am to
The only way they could stay afloat (unless you're right about the inertia angle) is to revamp their low level cards. Why would anyone settle for 1.5% on a Freedom Unlimited when there are 2% cashback cards also with no fee? The only reason my Freedom Unlimited is my "all other spend" card is because I can transfer points to my Reserve. And conversely, part of the reason I can justify the $150 net fee on my Reserve is because I can transfer those points to it.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I think my Chase Hyatt card is the only card with an annual fee I would hold onto.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40187 posts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:29 am to
Ya, the Unlimited would make no sense in a stand alone environment of other cash back cards. It's equal to Quicksilver and worse than DoubleCash.

You liking that Hyatt free night? I've been abusing the IHG free night but with their changes, I imagine a Cat 4 Hyatt is likely to be better than a Cat 4 IHG.

ETA: usually the cooler properties at low categories are overseas from my experience.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 11:35 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30169 posts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:39 am to
The best values are overseas, but I have yet to go through a year in which I didn't easily get $75 worth of value out something easy like the Centric French Quarter in Nola or the Regency in Austin if I didn't have some other major travel destination in mind.
Posted by thundercat_3
Member since May 2016
602 posts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 11:47 am to
Been a lurker for a long time and am stepping out of the shadows to use my first post on here. I am looking to get a good travel card, as I have a few trips coming up, and currently only have the BOA travel rewards card. I was looking at getting the CSP but am getting a little nervous with all of the rollbacks they are doing. What's going to be my best bet? Should I go ahead with the CSP or is there a better option?
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 4/27/18 at 5:34 am to
Another negative is Blachawk killing the portal deals for vgc this week. I bought over 30k since January and made a few dollars @ 2% not counting the URs. That helped make the CSR $150 cost more palatable. Now with that gone, the loss of price and return protection and maybe not being able to pool from other cards I'm not sure I'll keep it.

I'm going to have to start reading more
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