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re: Could you guys live with a 1.5% weekly gain in the market?

Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:24 pm to
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 5:24 pm to
How much cash would you have deployed on any given week? If it's 100% you'll guarantee loss of principal even when the central banks are targeting low volatility.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36458 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 6:14 pm to
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EOW covered call strategy on weekly options.

Do you just pick a strike price that is way out of the money?
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 6:55 pm to
No, to guarantee the 1.5% you need the calls exercised.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 6:56 pm to
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How much cash would you have deployed on any given week? If it's 100% you'll guarantee loss of principal even when the central banks are targeting low volatility.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post, but he said he’s selling calls not buying them.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30560 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 7:29 pm to
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Now I don’t want to post shite. The MT doesn’t seem to want to listen to unique ideas or ways to generate a steady weekly profit.

You won’t post your idea for us to listen to it. Just go ahead and post it so we can tear your dreams apart
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 7:41 pm to
I know it works with one issue.

A catastrophic event in the market the last 90 mins of the week, but you would still own the stock because the call would go un-exercised so you’re not losing everything.

If you guys are so smart, find a strategy on your own, you don’t need my 1.5% per week idea.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:00 pm to
You understand how selling calls works right?
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:00 pm to
Sure do.

What you don’t understand is that I want the call to be exercised because I made my 1.5% in the call premium even with someone getting the stocks from me at the strike price.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 8:05 pm
Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:05 pm to
And if the underlying stock decreases?
Posted by LSUAlum2001
Stavro Mueller Beta
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:08 pm to
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And if the underlying stock decreases?


This is a late in the day strategy and the call would be far enough in the money to get called, unless, like I said, an event that fricks the entire market in the last 90 min or less.

But you would still own the stock so you won’t lose everything.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 8:14 pm
Posted by Dandaman
Louisiana
Member since May 2017
704 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:21 pm to
This is like betting every black and red number in roulette.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9341 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:26 pm to
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This is a late in the day strategy and the call would be far enough in the money to get called, unless, like I said, an event that fricks the entire market in the last 90 min or less.

But you would still own the stock so you won’t lose everything.

So your strategy is to sell calls with ~1.5% of underlying in time premium, 90 minutes to expiration?
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
47130 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:26 pm to
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Stock selection is obviously the most important aspect.


This is key but market direction is also an important variable.

Every dime is on the sidelines Mon-Thur in this strategy.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 8:46 pm
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11096 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:35 pm to
I thought he said net debit positions. That is a short vol strategy that will guarantee loss of principal. It's exactly what our pensions do and that can barely grow their assets.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36458 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:47 pm to
Options can be sold for premium-based income. Can be consistent income if you know what you’re doing. Never have done it that late before. Still not sure how feasible of an idea that is.
Posted by drsung
Member since Aug 2004
197 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:41 pm to
That's interesting. So you arent putting on the position until Friday afternoon for same day expiration? It definitely would have worked in the recent past as Friday afternoon have been pretty bullish since the March lows.

I wouldn't have thought you could generate that much premium with that little time to expiration. I'll have to do some testing.
Posted by DumpsterFire
Member since Sep 2012
1450 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:51 pm to
I don’t think you can get a 1.5% premium 30 minutes before expiration.

For example, SPY is at $326.52. The 100 shares need to sell an option would cost $32,652. So, you would need to sell an option for $490 for your 1.5% gain. Who is paying a 1.5% premium minutes before expiration?

August 3rd calls at a $320 strike price are selling for $6.82/share. That is only a $0.32/share premium over the current share price. That nets you $32.

Honestly, I think he is forgetting the fact that if he sells a deep in the money call that he is obligated to sell his shares at the reduced strike price.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:55 pm to
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Honestly, I think he is forgetting the fact that if he sells a deep in the money call that he is obligated to sell his shares at the reduced strike price.


No way!

Also, another way to combat a falling stock (after a move is made) is to buy back the option at a much lower cost and dump the stock before the closing bell.
Posted by DumpsterFire
Member since Sep 2012
1450 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 10:07 pm to
Name one stock that you can get a 1.5% option premium on 30 minutes before expiration.
Posted by drsung
Member since Aug 2004
197 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 10:23 pm to
I am sure you could have gotten that on AAPL on Friday. I think the issue is how to consistently find that stock every week that will give you 1.5% with only 90 mins to expiration.
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