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"Buying Down" mortgage rate?

Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:28 am
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3822 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:28 am
Can anyone explain the concept of "buying down" your mortgage rate. We are looking at potentially moving and we were told that you can pay some percentage of the loan at the end of closing to get your mortgage rate down. Is this legit? Is it worth doing?
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:41 am to
Buying down your rate = paying a certain fee in order to lower your interest rate by a certain or set amount of basis points.

It usually is expressed as a % of your total loan amount.

Example:

Your broker tells you that you qualify for 3.875% interest rate. You inquire about or are offered the opportunity at buying the rate down. In exchange for x % of the Total Loan Amount, you can lower the rate down 1/8th or to 3.75. This is just an example and your ability to buy down will vary greatly.

Your credit score, income, assets and the % of your home's value based on the amount financed are used to calculate how risky you are to loan to. This risk is expressed as an interest rate.

You have a "par," pricing for this rate, which means the broker makes no money on said rate (not optimal for them to stay in business long-term). They will add basis points (percentage points onto your rate) for things like an elevated Loan To Value, a dearth or non-existent assets, higher debt-to-income ratios, dings on your credit (previous late payments on an existing mortgage, etc).

Buying your rate down is essentially you paying $ as a part of your closing costs to bring that % rate back as close to par pricing as your lender will allow.

You just need to figure out if it's worth the one-time cash payment, or adding the $ amount of the rate buydown to your closing costs that you're financing into the loan. Figure out what it increases your house note to by financing it as an increased closing cost. Or figure out what it costs you in real dollars versus how much $ on your monthly note you'll save between what you're quoted at and what you could buy down to.

Good luck.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 8:43 am
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82017 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:43 am to
Yes. But get the price for each rate and do the math to see if it makes sense in your situation
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:05 am to
quote:

But get the price for each rate and do the math to see if it makes sense in your situation


This is always the right answer. Problem is that 95% or more of home buyers don't have a clue how to do that math, which is why online mortgage calculators exist.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1422 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:24 am to
quote:

Is this legit? Is it worth doing?


Yes. Depends.

It usually takes several years to break even. If you plan to be in the house a long time, then it can be worth doing. Here is a calculator that you can plug numbers into to see when u break even:

https://www.mortgagecalculators.info/calc-discount.php

Also, this is referred to as paying discount points and it's usually tax deductible too.
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3822 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:30 am to
Obviously plans change, but as of today its a house we plan on being in forever.

Thanks for the info.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20440 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:51 am to
Essentially what you are doing is prepaying your interest. Mortgage companies love it because they get the profit off the bat and if they likely sell your mortgage to someone else then their profit is a lot greater.

I haven't done the math in awhile, but Break even is somewhere around 7-10 years if I remember right. That doesn't take into account the time value of money either.

Don't forget that just because it's your 'forever' home doesn't mean you won't refinance it. The average mortgage loan is 5 years.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1422 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:01 pm to
I'm actually applying for a mortgage right now. The break even for me is 54 months. I plan to be there longer than that and I'm assuming that interest rates are going higher than lower. So the chance of a refinance is low.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5851 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:31 pm to
let me give you an example of a buy down. so par rate today (par meaning a rate you don't buy down) is 4.5%. to get your loan to 4.375% it will cost you 1.75% of your loan amount. So you need to factor in the savings between 4.5 and 4.3 and see how many years it takes for you to make up the buy down. buy down are expensive . I haven't had a person buy a rate down in years.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5851 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:35 pm to
in 54 months the interest rate has a much better chance to be lower than higher. Economy and the market are the 2 biggest drivers of higher interest rates. Our economy is roaring and has been for a number of years (don't listen to the political board). Also with the FED keeping interest rates low for years it cooked the books. People can't afford the house they want today if the rate is 6% and no ones wants to loose value on the homes they own now. If rates get above 5.5% we need to see a down turn in value to support the high rate.
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

I haven't had a person buy a rate down in years.


You must not have many asian customers. They love buying the rate down.
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3822 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 4:32 pm to
I appreciate the responses the MT is always helpful. We put in our second offer on the house to day and I was fairly confident it was going to be accepted. Then seller decided that he was going to counter with an even higher number than he had originally given so we are walking away from the deal anyways.


Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5851 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 4:37 pm to
not when you show them the cost and i deal with a lot of Asians. I work for a bank so 80% of my customer's are bank customers and our Asian business owners use me to purchase homes. The have great credit and down payment i don't mind working with them at all.
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 5:03 pm to
... okay you took that a little too serious. Didn't mean it in a rude way. But your spread/cost to buydown must be way higher than what I get. We use buydowns all the time.
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:02 am to
Buying down used to be more popular when you could deduct that money from your income taxes. Now with the higher deduction, it isn't likely to be a factor for many people.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11913 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 2:58 am to
quote:

Also, this is referred to as paying discount points and it's usually tax deductible too.

Worked great for me, I bought my rate down to 3.75 from 3.875 for .25 point. My break even is less than 3 year’s and I got to write off a couple grand since I bought it in Dec.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5851 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:35 pm to
yea i did but between 8-5 every day i take everything way to serious. you work for a broker/lender?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63955 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:52 pm to
If you can get the seller to pay an extra ~$2500 on top of the usual $5 or 6k of closing costs, absolutely buy down the rate.



Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5851 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 3:22 pm to
seller is maxed at 3% of sales price on conventional deals. No max on FHA products.
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 3/16/18 at 3:27 pm to
No retail mortgage division of a small bank that's mainly in the mortgage industry.
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