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Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:09 am to
Posted by TurtleSS208
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:09 am to
I am by no means a crypto advocate, but looking at the past data is intriguing. I guess I should add “past performance is no future blah blah blah”





Posted by GhostofJackson
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:35 am to
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Bro, BTC has been around for 13 years and made it all this way with no FED or outside monetary policy.


So, it went public when the 2009 bull market run started? And the fact that there hasn't been any regulation YET is not the selling point you think it is.
Posted by DeathValley85
Member since May 2011
18155 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:07 am to
It’s hard to believe these threads are still happening with the same not so hot takes…okay well not that hard to believe.

I’m sure y’all are right this time and Bitcoin will go to $0
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41861 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:23 am to
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Remember when it was a hedge against inflation


did it outperform inflation?

if so then it's an inflation hedge

this is like preschool math
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:34 am to
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So, it went public when the 2009 bull market run started? And the fact that there hasn't been any regulation YET is not the selling point you think it is.


So what exactly are they going to regulate with BTC? They already said its not a security.... They classify it as property.

What do you know that we dont?
Posted by Nonetheless
MAGA
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:38 am to
Check back in in a few months
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47825 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:44 am to
this thread will not age well
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11674 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:47 am to
Good point. Most buyers were smart like you and got in when it was less than a few hundred dollars per coin.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90020 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:53 am to
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did it outperform inflation? if so then it's an inflation hedge this is like preschool math


Eh, depends how it’s marketed, so to speak. Most people think of a hedge as something that provides negative correlation to whatever alternative you’re using. In other words, if dollars go down over this time frame, then bitcoin will offset that loss by going up some amount.

If you’re sitting in February of 2021 and you believe inflation is about to be much more persistent and sticky than the forecasts, buying Bitcoin hasn’t worked as an inflation hedge. However, stocks have.

If you’re saying Bitcoin growth will outpace inflation over a long time frame, that a different story altogether.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41861 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:56 am to
sure but you could buy today at $38.5k and as long as it outperforms inflation for the year, its still a better hold then cash.


Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41861 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:01 pm to
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If you’re sitting in February of 2021 and you believe inflation is about to be much more persistent and sticky than the forecasts, buying Bitcoin hasn’t worked as an inflation hedge. However, stocks have.


it doesn't even need to necessarily be a cpi inflation hedge

bitcoin is an alternative monetary system that offers an escape from the perpetual credit expansions and credit contractions

in other words it can be a hedge on the current system collapsing
This post was edited on 1/21/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted by castorinho
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:06 pm to
That chart doesn't mean shite without context. You have to show how it compares to other assets distributions.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11674 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:09 pm to
Your understanding of inflation is incorrect and holding cash outperforms falling asset prices. Outperforming CPI prints means nothing if you are a saver.

When will you stop your love affair? Bitcoin is just another asset class that goes up and down. It’s not an uncorrelated asset, it doesn’t store value, it’s not an inflation hedge, it is as much of a currency as the onshore Yuan. When the crowd gets saved by Ceasar it will continue to go up like everything else but why do you cling to the narrative?
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
21059 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:22 pm to
looks to me like commodities, precious metals, long bonds, tips and international/EM going to be good the next decade

and

BTC

EDIT: That really was an incredible run in the Nasdaq - wow
This post was edited on 1/21/22 at 12:23 pm
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41861 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:31 pm to
BTC is only 13 years old so the volatility is not going away anytime soon. I'm not one to cling to a narrative and if it fails or something better comes along then I'll change perspective

I no longer anticipate 100% gains every year and I was wrong to expect that but I still would rather hold it than holding cash. math supports this idea so far.

but with that said. i don't like that it's shown correlation to tradfi. that has been disappointing to observe

Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9853 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:37 pm to
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holding cash outperforms falling asset prices


Isn't this 100% determined on "timing" the fall?
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
21059 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:43 pm to
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i don't like that it's shown correlation to tradfi. that has been disappointing to observe


you get what you ask for ... bitcoiners wanted institutional adoption well we got that. ETFs and Futures ETFS? got that too. leverage. BIG TIME. Derivatives? YUP

so

you get institutional/deleverage/rotational action in markets too.

remember - traditionally gold sells off initially with a stock/bond market sell off because traders need cash -- then there is a rush into Gold for safety

Leeeeet's see how it shakes out this time around with BTC in the mix
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11674 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 12:44 pm to
Much like selling your retirement units for cash when you’re not working and generating an income is. Yes.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11674 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:38 pm to
I should restate what I said earlier. I think BTC is a good option if you aren't super rich to store wealth similar to how wealthy people do in offshore accounts. To add on to that in a currency crisis I think it would be a good asset to be holding. But not units of a trust or ETN/ETP, but a private wallet of actual BTC not tied to an exchange. Similar to gold in that regard.

I haven't looked at the analytics lately but the flows will be back, Wall Street and VC has too much skin in the game for it to go away, and it looks like the shiny new hook for retirement assets now that most of the fees have been deflated away by competition in passive products.

So to re-direct the conversation back to the OP. This will not age well along with crisis of faith in big tech.
Posted by ColoradoTiger1987
Tampa
Member since Jan 2019
1644 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 1:59 pm to
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So to re-direct the conversation back to the OP. This will not age well along with crisis of faith in big tech.


Agree. The NASDAQ will surpass the DOW at some point in time.

Just wait till the 401Ks start offering positions in Crypto.
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