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re: Beachfront house: Good investment
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:22 pm to N2cars
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:22 pm to N2cars
They are in gulf shores though. Not Florida.
Much closer drive from Louisiana.
3 bedroom 2 bath that sleeps 8. One bedroom has double bunk beds the other two have king beds.
Much closer drive from Louisiana.
3 bedroom 2 bath that sleeps 8. One bedroom has double bunk beds the other two have king beds.
This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:22 pm to N2cars
Insurance is the main culprit
HOA fees are a close second
Today’s interest rates are a distant 3rd
Those first two can easily break new entrants to the gulf front rental game.
It is the folks that got in during BP through 2011ish that are printing cash.
The newer entrants are barely breaking even, if at all.
We see more couples that are buying, with cash, a second home or “camp” from Fort Morgan to Destin. But they have cash to pay for everything that comes up - and most can self insure. Those are the elite power buyers.
Insurance is going to be the big headache for us average guys - it goes up and fewer companies are writing.
HOA fees are a close second
Today’s interest rates are a distant 3rd
Those first two can easily break new entrants to the gulf front rental game.
It is the folks that got in during BP through 2011ish that are printing cash.
The newer entrants are barely breaking even, if at all.
We see more couples that are buying, with cash, a second home or “camp” from Fort Morgan to Destin. But they have cash to pay for everything that comes up - and most can self insure. Those are the elite power buyers.
Insurance is going to be the big headache for us average guys - it goes up and fewer companies are writing.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:26 pm to N2cars
You’ve got 3 months out of the year to earn that 18k per week. The rate will drop off outside of the summer months.
Property management companies charge between 10-20% and your sales tax is 7%. Roughly 50k in direct costs right off the bat.
Then you’ve got the weekly cleanings that will likely run you 1-2k per month depending on how often you have them done. Don’t forget lawn care and pool maintenance. Also, Not everyone will rent the full week.
I have 2k sqft house I bought in 2017. Properly taxes run me about 5500 and insurance is another ~10-12k. No HOA but you will. Call that another 5-10k. Newer neighborhoods have higher HOAs especially if they are gated.
You’ll also need to build or have enough cash on hand for emergencies. Renters won’t care for the home the same way you will so you’ll be out for any plumbing/damage/ac issues. Pool parts are expensive and all the companies tell you to replace the big things instead of fixing small things.
I’m not telling you to not do this. I’m just trying to shed light on the reality of the investment side of things. I see several November -Feb rental statements of 0.00 and march and October can be lean as well.
Oh if you do manage to turn a profit, Uncle Sam will also have his hand out for his cut.
Property management companies charge between 10-20% and your sales tax is 7%. Roughly 50k in direct costs right off the bat.
Then you’ve got the weekly cleanings that will likely run you 1-2k per month depending on how often you have them done. Don’t forget lawn care and pool maintenance. Also, Not everyone will rent the full week.
I have 2k sqft house I bought in 2017. Properly taxes run me about 5500 and insurance is another ~10-12k. No HOA but you will. Call that another 5-10k. Newer neighborhoods have higher HOAs especially if they are gated.
You’ll also need to build or have enough cash on hand for emergencies. Renters won’t care for the home the same way you will so you’ll be out for any plumbing/damage/ac issues. Pool parts are expensive and all the companies tell you to replace the big things instead of fixing small things.
I’m not telling you to not do this. I’m just trying to shed light on the reality of the investment side of things. I see several November -Feb rental statements of 0.00 and march and October can be lean as well.
Oh if you do manage to turn a profit, Uncle Sam will also have his hand out for his cut.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:26 pm to dgnx6
Pensacola Beach is the same as GS, or pretty close.
Good info, thanks.
Good info, thanks.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:27 pm to horsesandbulls
people are saying you can't cover your expenses if you use it for personal use but also saying it would be 68-70% occupancy rate. So wouldn't you be able to use it a portion of the 30% it goes unoccupied???
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:29 pm to horsesandbulls
Much appreciated, was just explaining how I arrived at the 250. 18x10, 180.
9x10, 90. So gross 270 approx.
Good info, thanks.
9x10, 90. So gross 270 approx.
Good info, thanks.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:31 pm to thatguy777
I believe you get 14 days of the year to use it for yourself, otherwise it’s not considered available for rent for the full year and may limit or reduce your rental deductions on your Sch E.
Most people want to go to the beach in the summer. If you use the property during peak hours, you miss out on your highest rental revenue.
Most people want to go to the beach in the summer. If you use the property during peak hours, you miss out on your highest rental revenue.
This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:35 pm to N2cars
quote:
270-
Please hear what I am saying. If you buy this house with this as your expectation you will be severely disappointed. I’ve never seen a single residence property generate that much gross income.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:38 pm to horsesandbulls
thanks for the reply. I am currently contemplating purchasing a place near 30a. Trying to learn as much as possible. The hope would be to STR and cover most expenses with the understanding I would be coming out of pocket on maintenance costs. I believe property values there are still sky high but think there may be opportunities later this year or sometime in 2026. I think I read recently that the destin/30a area has 30 months of supply on the market...
Posted on 5/28/25 at 4:41 pm to thatguy777
Things aren’t moving. Find me on here if you end up pulling the trigger.
This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 5/28/25 at 5:35 pm to horsesandbulls
Is the Destin market for rentals softer than PCB?
I know the rents are higher, but maybe occupancy rates are lower.
I know the rents are higher, but maybe occupancy rates are lower.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 5:36 pm to thatguy777
quote:
destin/30a area has 30 months of supply on the marke
Wow.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:08 pm to N2cars
Not as familiar with PCB but if I had to guess they are about the same. Most my clients are in okaloosa and Walton not bay county.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:17 pm to thunderbird1100
6.5 to 7% mortgage rates are the historical norm...people need to realize this.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:23 pm to horsesandbulls
Appreciate it. Are you a realtor in the area?
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:24 pm to N2cars
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We would rent it out to produce income
I’m not a smart man.
If it sounds easy, it’s usually hard.
If it sounds hard, it’s often damn near impossible.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:28 pm to horsesandbulls
Closer proximity to St Tammany....
I didn't make up those #"s I used as an example. Thr larger homes are booked 90% in peak times
Wr are paying 28K/wk for this one and it is booked solid.
I didn't make up those #"s I used as an example. Thr larger homes are booked 90% in peak times
Wr are paying 28K/wk for this one and it is booked solid.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:33 pm to N2cars
Wait are you saying PCB as in Pensacola Beach? PCB is Panama City beach.
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