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AUPH, SRNE .... CVM?

Posted on 12/15/19 at 3:21 pm
Posted by Wade Phillips
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/15/19 at 3:21 pm
I know everyone in on AUPH is wanting a lead on the next similar company with good science and management, but a few weeks/months away from major news driving increased share prices. I'm starting to research CEL-SCI Corporation (CVM) and its cancer treatment breakthroughs.

I am in no way advocating this stock at this point, but am wondering if any of the Money Talk pros (bayoubengal88) have already spent any significant time looking into this group or otherwise have thoughts they'd like to share. Sounds like some bulls in the online forums are looking for big moves here in 2020.
Posted by TDFreak
Dodge Charger Aficionado
Member since Dec 2009
7370 posts
Posted on 12/16/19 at 10:43 am to
CVM is an interesting bird to say the least. A quick check on the web shows a weird cult following on Twitter pumping this stock. Earnings missed consensus estimates big time (-.37¢ act vs -.09¢ est). And don’t get me started when the CEO writes a letter to shareholders (see how that worked for LVVV).

It’s not clear when their next earnings is due. This week? If they have another big loss, this might fall in the $3’s.

Or is this just a roll of the dice for a buyout?

Posted by TDFreak
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 10:08 am to
CVM released this report yesterday

LINK

quote:

CEL-SCI Corporation (NYSE American: CVM) reported financial results for the fiscal year ended September 30, 2019. The Company also reported key clinical and corporate developments achieved during fiscal 2019.


Overall, not much to note other than an operating loss.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
6569 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 3:10 pm to
stock offering announced after hours
Posted by Aug1
Member since Nov 2013
79 posts
Posted on 12/23/19 at 8:59 pm to
I'm expecting a runnup prior to YE as some are expecting results from the trial. I can see it dropping back afterwards if the completion date is pushed again. Also, they have a cash issue and will need to do an offering soon. I might bite on it afterwards depending on how AUPH plays out. Going to hold this winner until BO. Earnings mean nothing for a Bio stock other than to gauge cash burn. Of course it will be negative, they aren't selling anything.
This post was edited on 12/23/19 at 9:04 pm
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
6569 posts
Posted on 12/24/19 at 6:03 am to
They did an offering yesterday afternoon
Posted by TDFreak
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Member since Dec 2009
7370 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 11:32 pm to
I admit i was wrong. If you had bought the day the OP posted this stock, you could've made 20% easy.

But now the share price will drop due to the secondary offering. Unless they have a breakthrough.
Posted by Wade Phillips
Member since Dec 2008
572 posts
Posted on 12/26/19 at 8:05 am to
I bought 100 shares at $7.74 for purposes of tracking it and incentive to learn a good bit more, but am now thinking I take the immediate 12-15% and watch from the sidelines. Too nervous at this point to go in heavy. Seems like something to revisit after the price settles following this offering.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/26/19 at 12:20 pm to
So I previously had disliked SRNE. And still think they should have taken the buyout for best outcomes for shareholders overall.


Here is some info i've gathered:

They tied up with some other investors in law suits. This appears to be trying to force companies hand to burn cash.

Management appears to be ok and come from strong connected backgrounds with lots of good experience this was good in my mind from a credentital standpoinnt.

Valuation:
So holy shite could their pipeline potential be huge. What an opportunity from that standpoint. When you look at the 3 drugs they have out there 1 is already on market and other 2 are phase 2 phase 1 studies. If things go well they could have blockbuster potential in there. for reference you're looking at markets with over 10milion patients a year, around 500-1200 per treatment potentially. My estimates put them currently at 148% undervalued approximately(i'm no math expert so take that for what it's worth).

Future catalysts:

since non-opiod pain treatments are a hot topic they could also potentially ride that wave to gain some popularity as they start getting closer to big milestones.

Seems like they have a trial completing and anothers data due end of this year first of next year.

Cash Position:
My biggest critique now is they burn cash left and right. Now after looking into the drugs they're researching the CAR-T stuff seems expensive to research and they're going to need a cash raise here pretty soon to continue trials which results in more debt or dilution. They'll most likely need to start diluting as they have been acquiring debt previously and their current drug on the market isn't paying the bills yet at least.


This one has potential but i'm waiting to see what they do to get cash in the short run before jumping in.
Posted by Wade Phillips
Member since Dec 2008
572 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:47 am to
quote:

I bought 100 shares at $7.74 for purposes of tracking it and incentive to learn a good bit more, but am now thinking I take the immediate 12-15% and watch from the sidelines. Too nervous at this point to go in heavy. Seems like something to revisit after the price settles following this offering.


Well, wish I had kept even my 100 shares at this point. Up 42% with today's run.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17478 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

This one has potential but i'm waiting to see what they do to get cash in the short run before jumping in.

Are they looking to sell more common stock, @2million shares?
Posted by Aug1
Member since Nov 2013
79 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:07 pm to
Congrats. I ended up picking up a few hundred shares at a cost average of $8.30. I'm up about 48% at this point. Hoping for more tomorrow.
Posted by beauxgus
Bay St. Louis
Member since Jul 2016
57 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:47 am to
So, SRNE declined the offer. Stocks will fall. Do you use this opportunity to buy more??
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
6569 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:18 am to
quote:

So, SRNE declined the offer. Stocks will fall. Do you use this opportunity to buy more??


I believe they also posted positive results in one of the Phase 1b/2 trials they had going.. that could be old news, however

either way, they have to be basically out of cash by now..
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
36761 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

believe they also posted positive results in one of the Phase 1b/2 trials they had going.. that could be old news, however

either way, they have to be basically out of cash by now..

if i was really feeling it id either buy some puts or short on this thing. last i looked unless they offer some shares or pile on more debt they cant afford phase 2 or 3...or even close. may go to 0 honestly.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 4:34 pm
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
36761 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 3:42 pm to
yo be clear ive never owned this and wouldnt recommend it unless you can get in for super cheap. it never got near whatIid consider a buy after intial buyout offer which was what prompted BB88 to notice and then me to check it out
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
6569 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:47 pm to
The hail Mary at this point is a favorable cash settlement on the lawsuit with Patrick Moon-something
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
6569 posts
Posted on 1/29/20 at 9:50 am to
now SRNE has announced that they're working on some kind of treatment for Coronavirus.... the market is reacting as it probably should -- that Henry Ji and this company are completely full of shite
Posted by Drew Orleans
Member since Mar 2010
21577 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 12:49 pm to
SRNE shooting up.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18930 posts
Posted on 4/3/20 at 1:30 pm to
AUPH is recession proof!
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