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re: Anyone here familiar with the FIRE movement toward early retirement?
Posted on 9/2/18 at 2:40 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
Posted on 9/2/18 at 2:40 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
quote:i just read the thread... Thanks!
I'm considering ER next year at 42. I posted about it recently and got mixed feedback. I was surprised how many people can't fathom a meaningful life without paid full-time work.
Am I ER ready?
so you have a defined benefit pension of > 50k plus 1.2M in retirement savings? I'd retire for sure. Would definitely do my hobbies full time!
Posted on 9/2/18 at 6:30 pm to jimbeam
quote:
Yes very
i more or less did it.
goal before 40.
..got there a few years early.
took me ~5-6 years but that was expedited from selling a business during those stimulus years(we got 100% of revenue when normal for that area would have been 60% or so) and then buying a shitload single-family homes in texas during that housing downturn (which comfortably funded my expenses at that time)
i'm a bit ADHD so sitting around "relaxing" was a much bigger challenge than it needed to be.
..i ccouldn't really not do *anything* for very long.
i ended up buying a boat and sailing around el caribe (but did finaly got caught up on reading)...
sold most of the RE in USA(did buy a cash flowing farm overseas)...and eventually started up a slightly more ambitious business in USA again...which is now mature enough for my presence to mostly be irrelevant.
the amount of time spent on the water & in the air could get label me as "perpetual tourist"..but i do manage investments/businesses myself. (which can luckily be done from anywhere with a smartphone and small laptop a few hours each day)
so maybe i'm part-time "retired" now..which works well.
Posted on 9/2/18 at 9:01 pm to Spirit of Dunson
quote:
I'm still missing how they plan for healthcare, but my wife and I were talking about it as a possibility for us in our late 40's.
i have medical coverage now via company..but did not have any medical coverage at all during my 30s
paid for dental cleanings out of pocket twice a year whereever we happened to be....that was it.
quote:
I think it’s a good goal to have but $1m in the bank in your 40s isn’t near enough. It’s assuming everything is going to go your way (no big medical issues) and you are definitely not going to be helping your kids out at all (weddings, maybe grandkids, paying for some vacations, etc).
quote:
The part I struggle with FIRE is what “my number” needs to be. I also recognize it can be very hard to walk away from your prime earning years even when you have whatever is deemed “enough”. My general target is $5M in investable assets but this is a number I recently came up with without much analysis. Assume a 5% return with annually and that gives plenty cash flow to live very comfortably.
the 4% rule is a good rule of thumb..
LINK
basically, figure out your expenses....then multiple by 25.
once you reach that number...is probably safe to "retire" if u wanna
geographic arbitrage as a way of reducing expenses (without decreasing lifestyle) helps too
LINK /
This post was edited on 9/2/18 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 9/2/18 at 9:02 pm to mrgreenpants
What kind of farm and where is it? How’d you find it?
Posted on 9/4/18 at 11:16 am to Spirit of Dunson
11 years ago, I quit my job and took a trip around the world (fabulous to do btw).
When I came back, I decided to retire at 45. I turn 45 in december, and right now I am right at the edge of having enough assets to retire and keep our lifestyle. Some days I am over, some days I am under.
With that said, I am hesitant to pull the trigger until we see a bear market which we haven't had in a long time. So I will probably work until the end of the next bear market.
Healthcare is my number one worry tbh. We have it in our budget but if it goes up 20% every year, I dunno.
When I came back, I decided to retire at 45. I turn 45 in december, and right now I am right at the edge of having enough assets to retire and keep our lifestyle. Some days I am over, some days I am under.
With that said, I am hesitant to pull the trigger until we see a bear market which we haven't had in a long time. So I will probably work until the end of the next bear market.
Healthcare is my number one worry tbh. We have it in our budget but if it goes up 20% every year, I dunno.
Posted on 9/4/18 at 11:24 am to Spirit of Dunson
My kid will be entering college when I'm 55, that is my target date to make work optional which is what I think alot of people mean when they say "retire early".
Posted on 9/4/18 at 5:10 pm to Spirit of Dunson
I’m really working towards that. My goal is to get there through real estate. I’d like to be retired in the next 10 years.
ETA: It’s all about passive income.
ETA: It’s all about passive income.
This post was edited on 9/4/18 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 9/6/18 at 2:50 pm to Spirit of Dunson
I follow it. To me it isn't as much about wanting to retire early as it is knowing that I would be able to retire early. Early for me would be at age 53-55 which is a pretty reasonable expectation unless something drastically changes.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:32 pm to Spirit of Dunson
They “plan” on doing this, but how many actually do it?
They are single and living with their parents and think “when I get out of school and make $125,000/yr., I’ll be able to put away $100,00/year and retire at 40.”
Then suddenly they are 35 and married with 2 kids and buying a house and going on vacations and paying for private schools and realize they can’t do all this by spending only $25K of their $125K/yr.
They are single and living with their parents and think “when I get out of school and make $125,000/yr., I’ll be able to put away $100,00/year and retire at 40.”
Then suddenly they are 35 and married with 2 kids and buying a house and going on vacations and paying for private schools and realize they can’t do all this by spending only $25K of their $125K/yr.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:42 pm to TigrrrDad
quote:
TigrrrDad
You sound so bitter
It takes some discipline and lucky breaks for it to happy by early 40s but it is not impossible. It may also take decisions like public school, delaying having kids, not getting divorced, simpler trips, etc.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:56 pm to TigrrrDad
I’d submit that
quote:is not at all who “they” are. In my research, seems to me it’s more late 20s and 30s with a job who enjoy time more than $ after grinding for a decade or so.
They are single and living with their parents and think “when I get out of school and make $125,000/yr., I’ll be able to put away $100,00/year and retire at 40.”
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:45 pm to lynxcat
quote:
It takes some discipline and lucky breaks for it to happy by early 40s but it is not impossible. It may also take decisions like public school, delaying having kids, not getting divorced, simpler trips, etc.
What is the point of early retirement if you have to sit at home and clip coupons and watch the 5 channels you get on the antenna. I would personally rather work longer and have the opportunity to do interesting things on my time off.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:50 pm to BearsFan
1. You can still take awesome trips. I just went back packing for a week in the mountains. Alternately, I could have spent the same amount on a flight, 5 nights in a hotel, more expensive food, etc
2. I watch way too much TV as it is and i pay $10 for Netflix
2. I watch way too much TV as it is and i pay $10 for Netflix
Posted on 9/6/18 at 9:48 pm to Serraneaux
1 million or even half that is plenty if invested in cash flowing assets also depends on your expenses
Of course it depends what COC return and cash flow ur getting on that money invested. I mean I can easily get 6 digits annual cash flow based on just half a
Million in RE. IF YOU LIMIT EXPENSES and can’t live on 6 figures you’ve got issues. Lol
Of course it depends what COC return and cash flow ur getting on that money invested. I mean I can easily get 6 digits annual cash flow based on just half a
Million in RE. IF YOU LIMIT EXPENSES and can’t live on 6 figures you’ve got issues. Lol
Posted on 9/6/18 at 10:11 pm to jimbeam
So how many do you know who are retired at that age? I’ve met zero.
Enjoying time more than money is wonderful. But you can’t fund the next 40 years of your life with time - you need money.
Enjoying time more than money is wonderful. But you can’t fund the next 40 years of your life with time - you need money.
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 9/6/18 at 10:13 pm to TigrrrDad
Not many, but I would also say that these people are WORKING towards early retirement. Retirement at 45 is early compared to 65 yes?
Posted on 9/6/18 at 10:14 pm to jimbeam
Yes, it is. I retired at 44, though not by choice.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 10:30 pm to TigrrrDad
quote:I am targeting 55, but could realistically do 50-52 if I stretched it. But I like my job, and I like my vacations we are taking now. I'm not living with my parents.
They “plan” on doing this, but how many actually do it?
They are single and living with their parents and think “when I get out of school and make $125,000/yr., I’ll be able to put away $100,00/year and retire at 40.”
I just turned down a job that could have moved the age to under 50, but it would have been a challenge for my family life the next few years.
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