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Posted on 12/3/09 at 8:17 pm
Posted by dlmast87
Amish Country
Member since Dec 2007
1961 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 8:17 pm
I'm doing a presentation on the differences between the IFRS and GAAP rules concerning Property, Plant, and Equipment. The differences were easy to get, but does anyone have any opinions on the pros and cons of the two? I'm not an accounting major so this shite is hard enough to read through without having to figure out an opinion. Hopefully this is the right board, wasn't sure where else it would apply.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 8:26 pm to
IFRS is principles based, while GAAP is rules-based. This allows managers to report some transactions in the way they feel best represents the underlying economics of the transaction, but that discretion also leads to less comparability and consistency amongst various entities, and can lead to management bias seeping through into the financial statements, rendering them less effective as purely factual reporting statements. As a result, IFRS also makes audits less effective as independent verifications of management reporting. IFRS just introduces more openness to "creative" accounting, and that's not usually a positive thing.

Hope that helps.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 8:58 pm to
Kfizz gave you the short and nasty of the philosophical drawbacks.

I would also include something about LIFO not being accepted. LIFO creates more accurate inventory reports in times of increasing price levels.

What is the name of this class?
What's your major?
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 8:59 pm
Posted by dlmast87
Amish Country
Member since Dec 2007
1961 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:16 pm to
thanks kfizzle, that's what I was kind of getting to. it sounds like IFRS is more lenient? if that's the right word.

I would say something about LIFO but mine is specifically on PP&E and IAS 16.

I'm a senior majoring in business and the last time I took accounting was my freshman year and I realize now why I waited to take it again, i freakin hate it.

It's called intermediate accounting, basically the next class up from principles. Getting an A but I just can't stand accounting, to damn tedious.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:28 pm to
Yes, IFRS is basically more open to interpretation. Truthfully, most accounting standards are. My Theory teacher was telling us about how he worked in Canada for awhile, which has IFRS-like openness. He said when they would get stuck somewhere on how to account for something, they would just go consult GAAP. I thought that was kind of funny.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2502 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:45 pm to
LINK

The two main differences that jumped out to me are the allowance for revaluation of PP&E at fair value, as opposed to historical cost under GAAP and the requirement for componentizing depreciation, which is optional under GAAP. Hope that helps.

ETA: I can try to explain componentization for you if needed... not exactly an everyday term
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 10:56 pm
Posted by Duck
Member since Dec 2006
361 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:49 pm to
I worked on an IFRS implementation at CITGO (before the market went to shite and they canned the entire project).

The main difference if I can recall is component depreciation which would require a company to divide the PPE into smaller identifiable parts with smaller useful lives.

This similar to what you have found? I haven't even thought about IFRS since leaving the big 4.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2502 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 11:20 pm to
Apologies to the OP, my attachment doesn't really address the pros/cons of the differences - I misread
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 11:30 pm to
quote:

I would say something about LIFO but mine is specifically on PP&E and IAS 16.


Sorry, I didn't read the question very well.

Accounting sucks, but it's the most useful thing you will learn in college. It's in that 5% of things you remember from school.
Posted by dlmast87
Amish Country
Member since Dec 2007
1961 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 11:56 pm to
quote:

The main difference if I can recall is component depreciation which would require a company to divide the PPE into smaller identifiable parts with smaller useful lives.



so what are the pros and cons of that? could it skew the financial documents in favor of the company? thanks for the help!
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 12:01 am to
As a complete accounting dork, I appreciate your pdf. I'll probably read it tomorrow.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2502 posts
Posted on 12/4/09 at 1:31 pm to
To me it's a presentation issue. In theory it shouldn't have any impact on earnings because you should still arrive at the same total depreciation expense.
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
8185 posts
Posted on 12/8/09 at 12:41 am to
quote:

The two main differences that jumped out to me are the allowance for revaluation of PP&E at fair value, as opposed to historical cost under GAAP and the requirement for componentizing depreciation, which is optional under GAAP


The revaluation of PPE is allowed in US GAAP only on the downside (i.e. lesser of cost or market value). If I am reading this correctly companies can revaluate PPE on the upside using IFRS which can be a huge advantage for buildings and land?

Depreciation differences are not that big of a deal because you come to the same expense conclusion. Compartmentalizing is done many times in the tax code now.
This post was edited on 12/8/09 at 12:43 am
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