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401K: who manages your company plan?

Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:07 pm
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 6:07 pm
Small company, 25 employees.


Posted by Corn Dawg Nation
Member since Oct 2009
3528 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 7:33 pm to
Our plan is with The Standard. No complaints. They assume all fiduciary responsibility as well
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 7:34 pm
Posted by OnTheBrink
TN
Member since Mar 2012
5418 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 7:35 pm to
Principal
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28125 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 7:43 pm to
AOK, thank you.
Posted by 3morereps
The Gym
Member since Jun 2015
6735 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:48 pm to
Whoever it is I hope they're using institutional share classes and not revenue sharing with high expense funds. The department of labor is coming down hard on advisors placing participants into funds with high expense ratios to line their pockets with fat commisions.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 11:11 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80765 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:01 pm to
Fidelty
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28125 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:14 pm to
I can't even figure out what they're charging.

It is the Standard, FWIW.

Posted by 3morereps
The Gym
Member since Jun 2015
6735 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

I can't even figure out what they're charging.


the funds you are invested in have expense ratios. That is what you pay on an annual basis. Ex. You have $100,000 invested into a fund with an expense ratio of .79%.

You are paying $100,000 x .0079 = $790 ANNUALLY

The fund will just take this .79% out of your account and pay for plan expenses. Ex. Administration, marketing and advisor compensation

The department of labor is trying get a level fee implemented for retirement plans. They see it as a conflict of interest for advisors. They can advise participants into higher fee funds to generate more revenue for themselves, also the participants in the funds with high expense ratios are floating the plan for people in lower cost funds. A level asset fee gets rid of this issue. I hope that makes sense and helps you understand how plan fees work.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 9:11 am
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28125 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:29 pm to
I'm gonna look at again tomorrow, but honestly, it seems the fees are purposefully obtuse.


And yes, your post was very helpful. Thanks.
Posted by Fab4Freddy
Member since Nov 2011
1733 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:02 am to
Vanguard
Posted by GoldenD
Houston
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 1:04 am to
Fidelity with over 300 options.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:53 am to
Principal here.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4579 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:23 am to
This is not entirely true. They are trying to implement a fiduciary standard for everyone in retirement plans, including IRA's. For there to be a fiduciary standard the plan must be fee based and not brokerage class as you mentioned, so as there not to be a conflict of interest when the investments of the plan need to be changed for the individual or the whole. Fyi, you also have expense ratios on the institutional class funds inside a fee based plan.

The issue is, when it comes to the small investor for example in a simple Ira who is putting $25/mo into the plan.. Or someone who is wanting to open a Roth IRA at a brokerage firm for the first time. So since you've now implemented a fee based structure then the firms themselves will have to implement a minimum they will be willing to work with to open an account for what is profitable for them, say $25-50k for example. Again your killing the small investor and middle investor bc you're turning them away and not able to provide advice.

For the record I seriously doubt this legislation gets passed anytime soon.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:10 am to
We switched from Vanguard to Principal last year or maybe it was two years ago
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:29 am to
quote:

This is not entirely true. They are trying to implement a fiduciary standard for everyone in retirement plans, including IRA's. For there to be a fiduciary standard the plan must be fee based and not brokerage class as you mentioned, so as there not to be a conflict of interest when the investments of the plan need to be changed for the individual or the whole. Fyi, you also have expense ratios on the institutional class funds inside a fee based plan.


Well done.
Posted by 3morereps
The Gym
Member since Jun 2015
6735 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:04 am to
Where did I say institutional share classes do not have expense ratios? There is no reason a plan shouldn't have institutional share classes in 2015. 401k plans are an institutional product. Eventually everyone will be fee based, broker comp will be deminimus and participants will be able to have a better retirement. In ten years, there will be half the number of slime ball, no talent brokers...cannot wait
Posted by abitabrewed4LSU
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2009
1078 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:07 am to
Vangaurd
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17964 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:11 am to
charles schwaub.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4579 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:26 am to
You made that your premise that brokers selected brokerage shares for higher expense ratios.

For the record, fee based only helps the advisor, we get paid more lol. I'm not saying I'm against it by any means as I do think it will eliminate the conflict of interest. But to say that people will have a better retirement because of a fee based only structure is wrong.
Posted by 3morereps
The Gym
Member since Jun 2015
6735 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:38 am to
So an uneducated participant 100% invested in a fund with an expense ratio of 1.3% wouldn't have a better retirement if he participated in a plan with a level fee of .46%?
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