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re: Zero upside to the actions JA is taking... all downside.

Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by beauchristopher
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:14 pm to
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the only people he should speak to this about are his lawyers, priest, and possibly doctor (since all provide a level of protection for communications). the LSU AD knew this and are using this as a wedge to frick over our best basketball coach in decades. it's shameful there was no need for this meeting. there was certainly no upside to it. this is pure PR spin, and even worse, they didn't even have the balls to state it directly. they leaked it to the media like the scared children they are



They are children. It’s absurd. No other administration would pull this shite.
Posted by Godfather1
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:15 pm to
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When your boss tells you to show up, you show up. If you don't, you get suspended, or fired.


JA knew that Wade wasn’t in a position (on advice of his attorney) to tell him anything. Which tells me that the decision to suspend Wade had been made whether Wade showed up for the meeting or not. His refusal to show just gives JA cover for doing so.
Posted by BobBarker
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:15 pm to
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Wade getting caught negotiating a pay for play on a wire tap killed LSU basketball. That’s his fault and no one else’s. Yet y’all are blaming Alleva. It’s just incredible how illogical so many of the fans are over this. If Wade wasn’t winning y’all would be volunteering to move him out of Baton Rouge.


Look man, it’s not about that. Wade was stupid for talking to this guy directly sure, but just take a look at how all these other programs have handled these allegations, some of witch are much more damning than ours. They handled it correctly, put their heads down, and moved forward. No one is even talking about the offer Kansas was willing to make for Zion anymore, because they just ignored it. We live in a society with the attention span of a fricking gnat. If we would’ve just rode this shite out for a week, no one would have cared anymore because something else would come to steal their attention. But we didn’t do that. Our administration capitulated like some bitches.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:15 pm to
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If there are issues,

:lol: :lol: :lol:


I see somebody does not understand our legal system.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:16 pm to
see not only did you lie about what i said, you're creating a narrative that this somehow helps LSU

if the NCAA investigates and finds we paid for players, we are fricked (in a major way). suspending Wade does nothing
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:18 pm to
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Will Wade lied and then refused to meet with LSU admins to talk about it.


You've obviously never been in a position to make important decisions.




You’re a fricking joke, and at least this bullshite has outed you, Roger, First Cut, etc as the shill counts you are so no one ever bothers responding to your bullshite ever again

Posted by beauchristopher
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:19 pm to
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Will Wade lied and then refused to meet with LSU admins to talk about it.


What did he lie about Lesterearl? Specifics?

They should also have a level of respect that he’s dealing with the FBI over this matter.

What are they trying to prove here by rushing to judgement yet again. I assume you rather enjoyed Alleva’s handling at Duke as well?

Honestly, there is no point whatsoever in putting him in this position during the end of the season.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:19 pm to
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your argument assumes LSU didn't know we were paying for players, which is a fricking laugh. if we assume reality (that LSU knows they have to pay to play), then how is WW supposed to know every piece of evidence that may come out against him when he doesn't have access to that evidence?



I’m sure they do know. They probably don’t know details though. When it comes public they need to know details to best protect the school and even Wade himself. I don’t think they were trying to incriminate him at all.

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he didn't know about this specific conversation being tapped, he didn't mislead LSU about his knowledge of what other facts may come ou



I hate when people use the straw man angle on here but that’s it right there if I’ve ever seen it


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do you want the entire upper echelon of the LSU Athletic Department to be subpoenaed to the federal trial and forced to testify about how dirty our program is? if you don't, then you don't want WW talking to them about it


Like they wouldn’t be involved either way
Posted by beauchristopher
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:20 pm to
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You make it a habit to make important decisions without having all the facts?


Surely Lester is a hypocrite. If everyone else was rushing to judgement on a matter he would be the first one telling everyone differently.

Lester seems like a guy who normally preaches don’t rush to judgement, be patient.
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:23 pm to
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What did he lie about Lesterearl? Specifics?

They should also have a level of respect that he’s dealing with the FBI over this matter.

What are they trying to prove here by rushing to judgement yet again. I assume you rather enjoyed Alleva’s handling at Duke as well?

Honestly, there is no point whatsoever in putting him in this position during the end of the season.




I sometimes wonder if Lester actually believes half of his own bullshite.

He enjoys playing the contrarian. It’s his schtick.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:24 pm to
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I’m sure they do know. They probably don’t know details though.

that's my argument. glad we agree

neither Wade nor LSU can know "the details" at this point, so Wade saying that he doesn't know of anything else coming out is valid

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Like they wouldn’t be involved either way

if the public story is that they're ignorant, then they won't be until they're made knowledgeable

that meeting is the way they implicate themselves and stop being ignorant
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:29 pm to
You say
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Have you ever been in management?


Then you say
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they probably blew it off as not really serious or important.


Holy moly.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:31 pm to
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Lester seems like a guy who normally preaches don’t rush to judgement, be patient.




I am, that is why they suspended him. this isn't that hard to understand
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:32 pm to
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Wade getting caught negotiating a pay for play on a wire tap killed LSU basketball


Mother of all Premature Exacerbations!
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:32 pm to
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He enjoys playing the contrarian. It’s his schtick.




nah, i just dont think like an emotional homer.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:33 pm to
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don’t rush to judgement,


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I am, that is why they suspended him.


Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65490 posts
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:34 pm to
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see not only did you lie about what i said

here are the lies or fabrications you have made ITT

#1
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if he didn't know about these specific taps, he didn't lie

Will Wade knew about three conversations he had with Dawkins. Will Wade knew he negotiated pay-for-play for Smart. Trying to pretend he may have forgotten or whatever excuse is dishonest or being a homer, take your pick

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LSU AD leaked a story to cover its arse. this is their talking points to try to get cover with fans and the media

This is completely made up. You can not provide anything to substantiate this statement. Nothing. This is what you have created to justify your opinion on the situation


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Wade can't really talk to them b/c of the trial. he can't really talk to anyone about this other than his lawyers. he's subpoenaed for a trial and the LSU AD knows this, and they know that he can't talk to them about this (for many legal reasons)


Wade is not on trial. Wade can talk to anyone he wants. Wade could have his lawyers present during a meeting to stop him if he starts saying things he shouldn't. There's a better reason for him not talking to Alleva and it has nothing to do with the trial. Again, this is you trying to spin things in Will Wade's favor when he is clearly in the wrong in all of this


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hell it's likely the story isn't even 100% true. LSU AD clearly leaked information to frick over Wade yesterday

Again, made up information from you because you want it to be true


Like, if you are going to make up conspiracy theories, at least be fricking consistent. You can't on one side say it's bullshite to assume things about Wade and then on the other assume a bunch of other things about different parts of the situation, which is EXACTLY what you're doing in here. So stop, step back, think about what we know and what we don;t know, and it would be pretty clear to you, as it is any non-LSU fan, that Wade is the one at fault here. He did what he did and will now have to live with the consequences.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279357 posts
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:35 pm to
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neither Wade nor LSU can know "the details" at this point, so Wade saying that he doesn't know of anything else coming out is valid



Dude. Whether he knew the line was tapped or not, Wade knows he had the conversation. With the same guy from the first time. LSU is not privy to that.


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if the public story is that they're ignorant, then they won't be until they're made knowledgeable

that meeting is the way they implicate themselves and stop being ignorant





the problem is the story is already public. They can't just pretend its not there
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
65490 posts
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:37 pm to
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the problem is the story is already public. They can't just pretend its not there

There are a lot of our fans that just don't understand this. They think we can just play chicken with the NCAA and that's actually the smart and pragmatic approach to take. I think there are also others that would trade one good (and later vacated) season for probation and a decade of suck.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
425126 posts
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:38 pm to
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Will Wade knew about three conversations he had with Dawkins.

that's irrelevant. his alleged statement to Alleva was that he didn't know of any more evidence that would come out

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Will Wade knew he negotiated pay-for-play for Smart. Trying to pretend he may have forgotten or whatever excuse is dishonest or being a homer, take your pick

no it's just properly describing what was allegedly promised

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This is completely made up. You can not provide anything to substantiate this statement. Nothing.

so who were the sources for the story, you reckon? the story that paints the AD in the perfect light and gives a public excuse for the suspension? you think Wade leaked that story? it's either Wade or LSU's AD. you pick

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Wade could have his lawyers present during a meeting to stop him if he starts saying things he shouldn't.

uh, in a meeting about paying players, "things he shouldn't say" are "everything". hence why his lawyers responded

and Alleva isn't stupid enough to not understand that

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