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re: Would Like To Give A Shout To The Refs This Game!

Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112619 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:29 pm to
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LMAO, I never said anything close to that, i'll be the first to admit when we are the beneficiaries of a bad call (see Alabama @ LSU football in 2004), you are an idiot that is all.


yea, the foul calls were even for the most part, but I'm the idiot.

Makes complete sense to me.
Posted by Run DMC
somewhere in Louisiana it's tricky
Member since Jan 2007
6194 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:32 pm to
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I have to say that this game was WELL officiated.


This post was edited on 3/19/09 at 3:46 pm
Posted by Esarhaddon
Lafayette, LA
Member since Aug 2006
19035 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:32 pm to
Switching the subject again (lol) but i'll oblige, the reason they are almost even (26 attempts for Butler to 21 for LSU) is b/c of Butler trying to extend the game. I am not one to whine about officials in every game, but this one was very poorly officiated.
This post was edited on 3/19/09 at 3:35 pm
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
4519 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:37 pm to
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I don't care if Butler shot twice as many FTs at one point. (we caught up at the end of the game when they HAD to foul). This game had a nice flow, and the refs were VERY consistent with their calls. I actually thought we got a few early in our favor, but after Butler threw their 3rd or 4th illegal screen, I paid more attention to it.


I agree with the flow comment, clearly better than the officiating we've seen elsewhere this year. BUT, they gave way too much "star treatment" to Howard. As said in another thread:

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He traveled twice in the first half, twice fell on our players (although I can see why he wasn't called for a foul when he fell on thorton), hooked our player and WE got called for the foul, got his 4th foul but somehow his teammate got the call, he went to the loose ball with our defender equally but somehow we fouled, ect.


If they would have called it more evenly around Howard, it would have been a near perfectly called game. Howard's preferential treatment gave a pretty good advantage to Butler though.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17097 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:40 pm to
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You guys win and you're whining?


Winning doesn't change how the game was officiated. And nobody is saying that it was horrendously officiated, just that big white boy got some BS calls. If you want to call that whining than go ahead but it doesn't make it so.

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You had a final 4 two years ago; I don't think you're gonna be near that anytime soon.


This is relevant to the discussion how?

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Not since the ol' Dale "never has so little been done with so much" Brown.




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Butler's youngters will be a top-12 powerhouse for the next 2+ years.


ok? relevant to the discussion how?

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Take North Carolina and the points Saturday, you'll get a free ride on your utility bills for a month...


Relevant to the game's officiating how?

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112619 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:44 pm to
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Switching the subject again (lol) but i'll oblige, the reason they are almost even (26 attempts for Butler to 21 for LSU) is b/c of Butler trying to extend the game


Aside from the final minute, we commited 20 fouls to there 15.

That really isn't THAT bad, especially when you consider Butler had more shots in the paint, I'm sure, and used much more post plays.
Posted by ROUSTER
Member since Sep 2003
7042 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:45 pm to
Butler got calls because they consistently got the ball down low and attacked the basket. When your directly under the basket and miss a shot, any little contact will usually draw a foul.

Butler was mugging MT alot, but mostly on the perimeter. Officials will usually give you more leaway out there.

Posted by tigeramongpigs
Fort Smith, Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
2295 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 3:54 pm to
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Take North Carolina and the points Saturday, you'll get a free ride on your utility bills for a month...


you're right. someone call trent and tell him just to pack up and come on back. no need to play the game....

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112619 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 4:16 pm to
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Butler got calls because they consistently got the ball down low and attacked the basket. When your directly under the basket and miss a shot, any little contact will usually draw a foul.


Exactly.

But guys have the P&G glasses and are so blinded they dont see things like that.
Posted by katytigers
katy
Member since Dec 2004
6251 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 4:24 pm to
at one time it was butler 33 ft and lSU 12 that's horrible
Posted by Akit1
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2006
8180 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 4:25 pm to
AGREE!

Games are never officiating perfectly. With that said the refs let the players play the game.

Good post.
Posted by thekid
Anna, Tx
Member since May 2006
4036 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 4:33 pm to
I have an issue with the poster who said there was a good flow to the game. What?!? The only way that game had a good flow is if stopping it for ticky tack fouls every 30 seconds constitutes a good flow.
It had no flow. Negative flow. It owes some flow to the next game.

Posted by Eternalmajin
Member since Jun 2008
13659 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 4:52 pm to
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Yep, the refs tried to give it to Butler just like they try to give the game to LSU's opponent every game we play.

I just wonder why we ALWAYS get shafted on the calls?
...
NOOOOOOOO. That can't be it. We really do get screwed on the calls all the time.



I think about 80% of the bitching is more related to how horrible the SEC refs are. The officiating in this game pissed me off because I thought they started off great. Even while Butler was cutting it to 3 in the 1st half, the calls were even. Both sides were bumping all over the place and pushing people around. Then all of a sudden, if we looked at them funny the whistle was blown.

It's one thing to change how you are calling the game, but they only changed it our way. We have players getting killed at the goal without a whistle. We have players catching rebounds and getting called for traveling immediately. All while they are getting fouls on every single touch, and a few times jumping around without any traveling call.

The inconsistency pissed me off. It looked like it was going to be a greatly officiated game and turned into a one-sided affair.

"20 to 15 before the end" Difference here is the few fouls they called on them in the 2nd half (at that point I believe it was 11 on us and 5 on them in the 2nd half?) were shooting fouls, gifting them points. Whereas the fouls on them did not give us the ball at the free throw line.

The better stat is the number of free throws which, taking away the end where they deliberately put us there, was a big disparity.

If you didn't see a problem with the calls Butler was getting for the end of the 1st half and most of the second, then you're either blind, don't care, or too ignorant to notice.

(I don't think it's as much a conspiracy to screw LSU over as it is star treatment as well as forcing an 8/9 game to be closer than it should have been)
Posted by TigerPhan27
edgy racial f'n pervert.
Member since Apr 2008
15693 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 6:16 pm to
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LOL.

Damn.

So even when we try to say nice things about the Refs, in a game we win, we get blasted?

Eh. Just remember next time I'm bitching about the refs (which will be Saturday), I tried. Once.


see even when a usual member of the blame the ref crowd admits they weren't bad you will get turned on. Remember always blame the refs they are terrible no matter what. Don't you understand? Not only are they terrible it's always against LSU, they are never terrible in LSU's favor. Remember this
Posted by TigerPhan27
edgy racial f'n pervert.
Member since Apr 2008
15693 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 6:19 pm to
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Butler got calls because they consistently got the ball down low and attacked the basket. When your directly under the basket and miss a shot, any little contact will usually draw a foul.

Butler was mugging MT alot, but mostly on the perimeter. Officials will usually give you more leaway out there.


i'm not sure why this concept seems to be unable to grasp by LSU fans. We are generally on the short end of the FT stat because A)we shoot jump shots mostly, and B)other teams pound us down low b/c our interior defense blows.
Posted by Tigercat
Tacoma, WA
Member since Feb 2004
4519 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 6:29 pm to
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i'm not sure why this concept seems to be unable to grasp by LSU fans. We are generally on the short end of the FT stat because A)we shoot jump shots mostly, and B)other teams pound us down low b/c our interior defense blows.


I don't think you understand that refs start rewarding these teams away from the basket. They get into the flow of the game and start rewarding players and teams instead of specific basketball actions.

See: Howard getting the benefit of the doubt AWAY from his basket (with rough plays and no fouls in the post on the defensive end, possible illegal screens, benefit of the doubt on loose balls, ect.). Miss St in our SECT game also got the benefit of the doubt away from their basket.

Its all well and good if the refs want to call a foul on all of our crappy attempts at post defense, but you fail to recognize that isn't what anyone is complaining about. I don't see anyone complaining about fouls called against us under Butler's basket.
This post was edited on 3/19/09 at 6:30 pm
Posted by TigerPhan27
edgy racial f'n pervert.
Member since Apr 2008
15693 posts
Posted on 3/19/09 at 6:48 pm to
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Its all well and good if the refs want to call a foul on all of our crappy attempts at post defense, but you fail to recognize that isn't what anyone is complaining about. I don't see anyone complaining about fouls called against us under Butler's basket.


i see complaints from the same people everytime anything is called
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112619 posts
Posted on 3/20/09 at 2:02 pm to
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If you didn't see a problem with the calls Butler was getting for the end of the 1st half and most of the second, then you're either blind, don't care, or too ignorant to notice.


Or I didnt have my purple and gold glasses on.


It's funny, if you go to the Butler forum and check there game thread, guess what??? They were bitching about the refs too, saying they were getting screwed.

Well, I guess they are just ignorant and blind too, right? Because it certainly can't be the LSU fans, because we're always right.
Posted by Cajuncharger
South Central Louisiana, Mud Dogs!
Member since Nov 2005
999 posts
Posted on 3/20/09 at 2:11 pm to
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And nobody is saying that it was horrendously officiated, just that big white boy got some BS calls.


Well I thought that the little black boys got their fair share of calls too! I also switched over to ESPN Desportes and I thought the medium brown dudes got shafted! Does anyone agree?
Posted by iggle
Member since Oct 2007
2649 posts
Posted on 3/20/09 at 2:15 pm to
can you make a post without using the phrase "purple and gold glasses?" At least come up with something new every once in a while. I bet you're wearing out those keys on your keyboard.
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