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re: Wonderful, Songy is on the "JJ doesn't have it between the ears.."
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:50 pm to DBG
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:50 pm to DBG
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it doesnt take a doctor to realize someones arm is cut off
and you should never associate development with lee or jefferson
Make your argument about Jeffersons lack of development.. concise and supported with evidence if you do not mind.
Otherwise stfu.
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Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:51 pm to MightyYat
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Wow, if you were a head coach you would never have known how good Jamarcus Russell, Colt McCoy or Matt Stafford would've been.
You might want to take a look at McCoy's freshman stats.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:54 pm to bmy
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Make your argument about Jeffersons lack of development.
its easy
we've seen the same mistakes all year long. throwing low, inaccurate passes, zero pocket awareness at all, a long slow delivery, and continued clock mistakes, both game and play
there has been very little improvement in his overall level of play, if any at all
This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:55 pm to MightyYat
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If the o-line isn't better next year I don't give a frick if we have Drew Brees, we're fricked
this
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:58 pm to DBG
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its easy we've seen the same mistakes all year long. throwing low, inaccurate passes, zero pocket awareness at all, a long slow delivery, and continued clock mistakes, both game and play
you are likely under 30 yrs old and have never trained anyone.
You are right in the observations, but you are too dead set in wanting to blame someone instead of asking WHY ?
all of the things you have mentioned are
THE JOB OF THE COACHING STAFF.
THEY are not doing their job and it is showing up in the performance of others.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:01 pm to rbdallas
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THEY are not doing their job and it is showing up in the performance of others.
thats fine
and if a new staff would come in id be willing to give jefferson a fresh start
but given the current situation and the unlikeliness of it changing, it just is not working
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:05 pm to DBG
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and if a new staff would come in id be willing to give jefferson a fresh start
here is the problem with your thinking....
you are assuming that there is this QB SAVIOR which will come in (with the current staff)and rescue us without having to receive any training, etc.....WRONG
JL received no training or development, he performed poorly
JJ received no training or development, he performed poorly
ANYONE coming in receiving no training or development, will performed poorly
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:09 pm to rbdallas
This is correct. To say JJ "doesn't have it between the ears" is pretty naive. The LSU staff has screwed this QB thing up big time. You can blame RP all you want, its a coaching problem. The staff knew RP was a screw up, and recruiting/development of other QB's didn't happen.
JJ didn't have a tutor/mentor, no one to model himself after on the LSU team. Doesn't have an example to follow. Add to that, the current LSU staff is horrible at player development, particularly QB.
JJ hasn't had the benefit of coaching or an incumbent to model himself after. Blame this one on the coaches. The problem is JJ still doesn't and is very raw still. It could be another rough offensive season.
JJ didn't have a tutor/mentor, no one to model himself after on the LSU team. Doesn't have an example to follow. Add to that, the current LSU staff is horrible at player development, particularly QB.
JJ hasn't had the benefit of coaching or an incumbent to model himself after. Blame this one on the coaches. The problem is JJ still doesn't and is very raw still. It could be another rough offensive season.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:12 pm to DBG
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throwing low, inaccurate passes
He was pretty accurate in the 2nd half Friday. I think having to get use to not having any footing at all might have had something to do with that.
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zero pocket awareness at all
I guess you didn't watch the bowl game.
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a long slow delivery
That's not really that big of a deal in college.
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continued clock mistakes
Do you have any examples of these? The only one that was his fault this season was not knowing the clock started after the personal foul last game.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:12 pm to MightyYat
quote:Lee threw too many picks but his football awareness seemed fine. Jefferson didn't throw as many picks but his football awareness is horrid. Doing things like letting the clock run down at the end of the bowl game, running out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing the ball away, rarely stepping up in the pocket and most often backing into the outside rush for an easy sack, holding the ball way too long on almost every pass play. These are all mental mistakes. Things a QB should play through in his head pre-game and pre-snap. He does show flashes of doing some of these things correctly but is far fron consistant and his lack of trust in his WR's will keep him from ever being a good QB. No OL will be able to give him the amount of time he wants to be able to see the WR break wide open before he throws the ball. At some point he has to be able to read the defense and understand his best option and throw to where the WR will be based on the coverage. Right now, he just tries to sit back there and wait unitl he sees someone open before he throws it and usually the DB either recovers or gets help because the ball is coming out too late.
Why is he a "dumb QB?" No one in the media ever called Lee a dumb QB and he was fricking awful last year.
Hopefully he will improve on these things as he matures but they are all mental aspects of the game. He has to learn to play game situations in his head as he watches film and pre-snap so he can make quicker and better decisions.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:17 pm to XbengalTiger
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Lee threw too many picks but his football awareness seemed fine. Jefferson didn't throw as many picks but his football awareness is horrid. Doing things like letting the clock run down at the end of the bowl game, running out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing the ball away, rarely stepping up in the pocket and most often backing into the outside rush for an easy sack, holding the ball way too long on almost every pass play. These are all mental mistakes. Things a QB should play through in his head pre-game and pre-snap. He does show flashes of doing some of these things correctly but is far fron consistant and his lack of trust in his WR's will keep him from ever being a good QB. No OL will be able to give him the amount of time he wants to be able to see the WR break wide open before he throws the ball. At some point he has to be able to read the defense and understand his best option and throw to where the WR will be based on the coverage. Right now, he just tries to sit back there and wait unitl he sees someone open before he throws it and usually the DB either recovers or gets help because the ball is coming out too late.
Hopefully he will improve on these things as he matures but they are all mental aspects of the game. He has to learn to play game situations in his head as he watches film and pre-snap so he can make quicker and better decisions.
This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:17 pm to XbengalTiger
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Lee threw too many picks but his football awareness seemed fine. Jefferson didn't throw as many picks but his football awareness is horrid. Doing things like letting the clock run down at the end of the bowl game, running out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing the ball away, rarely stepping up in the pocket and most often backing into the outside rush for an easy sack, holding the ball way too long on almost every pass play. These are all mental mistakes. Things a QB should play through in his head pre-game and pre-snap. He does show flashes of doing some of these things correctly but is far fron consistant and his lack of trust in his WR's will keep him from ever being a good QB. No OL will be able to give him the amount of time he wants to be able to see the WR break wide open before he throws the ball. At some point he has to be able to read the defense and understand his best option and throw to where the WR will be based on the coverage. Right now, he just tries to sit back there and wait unitl he sees someone open before he throws it and usually the DB either recovers or gets help because the ball is coming out too late.
Hopefully he will improve on these things as he matures but they are all mental aspects of the game. He has to learn to play game situations in his head as he watches film and pre-snap so he can make quicker and better decisions.
Does not compute.
FWIW, Lee didn't know when to get out of his own way last year but he was never called dumb.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:20 pm to kingfish
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JJ had a year at the helm to show improvement. He failed. I would rather try someone new than give him another year to show no improvement.
+1
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
JJ is a gifted athlete that got by on that at the HS level. My old HS coach was the O-cor at Destrhan when he was a JR and SR and they ran a 1 or 2 read offense to make sure it wasn't to hard to run. He thrived in that system and became a championship QB and national recruit. UT ran an offense that was a limited read offense with VY and won a title with it. I'm not saying the kids stupid or can't learn it but EVERYONE learns at a different rate of speed and his may be a little slower then someone elses. The fix for that isn't to try to shove it down his throat it's to scale it back a little and maximize what he does well and take some of the pressure off of him. The clock managment stuff is a coaching error and we can all see why he isn't better at that. You don't have to be a genius to play this game, even at QB, if the coaches know how to design it to fit you. JR wasn't a genius either but Jimbo knew how to put him in better situations to limit mistakes. MF wasn't a superb athlete but they didn't ask him to make plays he couldn't. JJ needs to communicate with the coaches and swallow his pride a little and say "coach I'm struggling with this, can we do it an different way so that it's easier for me to read it or see it on the field" It's not as hard as everyone tries to make it, just coach the kids that you have and don't ask people to be things they're not.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:22 pm to C Lafong
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C Lafong
Who would you rather see hot shot?
This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:26 pm to MightyYat
I only read the first page.
With that said, it sounds like most of you clowns would like 3 fricking losing seasons just to let a QB get better his senior year. frick THAT
With that said, it sounds like most of you clowns would like 3 fricking losing seasons just to let a QB get better his senior year. frick THAT
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:27 pm to Broham
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I only read the first page.
With that said, it sounds like most of you clowns would like 3 fricking losing seasons just to let a QB get better his senior year. frick THAT
When have we had a losing season?
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:27 pm to MightyYat
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Who would you rather see hot shot?
I'd like to see Russell Shepherd. Let him play QB, let him throw the ball, let him show his pocket awareness.
Hate to say it but JJ just doesn't have IT.
I was at the game in Orlando. He looked lost. He performed poorly. He simply isn't a leader. He doesn't make plays and he wastes time.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:30 pm to C Lafong
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I'd like to see Russell Shepherd. Let him play QB, let him throw the ball, let him show his pocket awareness.
Hate to say it but JJ just doesn't have IT.
I was at the game in Orlando. He looked lost. He performed poorly. He simply isn't a leader. He doesn't make plays and he wastes time.
Russell Shepard can't even hit a 10yd out in pregame warm-ups so no. What is IT exactly? What other sophomore QB had IT and led their team to championship?
This post was edited on 1/4/10 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/4/10 at 2:32 pm to MightyYat
Jordan Jefferson is NOT good. He is NOT an SEC quarterback. Get over it guys.
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