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re: Women's B Ball Coach - K Mulky?

Posted on 3/16/11 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 2:55 pm to
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LSU has serious financial problems due to state financial issues.



Not the Athletic Department.....


This, they have been making great $$$$$ for a while.

Posted by TupeloTiger
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 2:55 pm to
I played for Barmore for two years at Bastrop High and stayed in touch even years later. He is the BEST after Pat Summitt or Kim Mulkey, who played for him at Tech. He retired early and missed it so bad, he left Ruston to be as arse't at Baylor. Throw the money at Barmore, he might come back to La. He's a Ruston native, not South La./BR area. He's smart as heck, eats,sleeps,breaths BB. Hire him , now.
Posted by lsualum96
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 2:55 pm to
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But dude it sold out one time against UT so that means we should spend loads of cash on a new coach


Neither basketball programs at LSU sell out most of the time. So, should we spend "loads of cash" on either coach? The bottom line is, we know men's basketball draws more than women's. No doubt about that. But again, if you want QUALITY coaching for the women's team, you have to pay the market value. To get a top notch coach it's going to cost LSU $500K to $1 million. That's the bottom line, period. The university has already invested WELL OVER that to upgrade facilities and the locker rooms of BOTH programs. Why would they decide that they no longer want to invest in the women's program now that they are on the cusp of being a consistently elite program. It makes no sense.

Neither team will sell out the PMAC for games against average teams, although the men draw more. But if a team doesn't consistently sell out, does that mean that LSU shouldn't spend the money that they indeed have, to get the best coaching possible? That's silly.

And ultimately, although it's fun to debate it, the administration is committed to women's basketball. Regardless of how any of us feel about it, you watch and see..................................the next women's coach at LSU will make over $500K.
This post was edited on 3/16/11 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 2:58 pm to
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Why would they decide that they no longer want to invest in the women's program now that they are on the cusp of being a consistently elite program. It makes no sense
because even at the peak, the return on investment in the women's program is minimal to negative

i apologize, but the numbers of seats in the stands do not lie
Posted by lsualum96
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 2:59 pm to
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i want to know what was going on with that Vandy game in 2008. they must have been giving away a car or something


Nope. Vandy was a high ranked opponent. As you have said, people show up against the good teams......................just like any program at LSU, other than football.

This post was edited on 3/16/11 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:01 pm to
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As you have said, people show up against the good teams......................just like any program at LSU, other than football.
you must not have made your way out to a baseball game any time in the last 20 years
Posted by houstontyga
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:01 pm to
Bob Starkey, he did lead LSU to a Final 4
Posted by lsualum96
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:02 pm to
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because even at the peak, the return on investment in the women's program is minimal to negative i apologize, but the numbers of seats in the stands do not lie


But see that's the thing. None of us on this board KNOWS who is turning a profit. I'd venture to say that the only program on LSU's campus that "turns a profit" is football. So then the actual question becomes, why spend top dollar on ANY sports programs at LSU if they don't make a profit? And then the ASSUMPTION is that LSU only fields sports teams to make a profit......................which is patently false.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:05 pm to
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As you have said, people show up against the good teams......................just like any program at LSU, other than football.

you must not have made your way out to a baseball game any time in the last 20 years


This, get ready to break a record this weekend.

Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:06 pm to
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None of us on this board KNOWS who is turning a profit.


I know enough that, the athletic dept. gives back $M's to the university.

Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:07 pm to
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None of us on this board KNOWS who is turning a profit. I'd venture to say that the only program on LSU's campus that "turns a profit" is football.
and i venture to say that this is not correct

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then the actual question becomes, why spend top dollar on ANY sports programs at LSU if they don't make a profit?
because some have proven that they can turn a profit when they are successful. Women's hoops has been successful, and they still drew 40% capacity at it's peak.

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And then the ASSUMPTION is that LSU only fields sports teams to make a profit......................which is patently false.
replace "fields" with "continually invests"
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:09 pm to
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But see that's the thing. None of us on this board KNOWS who is turning a profit. I'd venture to say that the only program on LSU's campus that "turns a profit" is football. So then the actual question becomes, why spend top dollar on ANY sports programs at LSU if they don't make a profit? And then the ASSUMPTION is that LSU only fields sports teams to make a profit......................which is patently false.


A few weeks ago when Mark Emmert was in town, they played part of his presentation on the radio. He said something about LSU being one of only 14 athletic departments nation wide that operates in the black rather than the red. Guess all those other schools should quit playing sports.
This post was edited on 3/16/11 at 3:14 pm
Posted by c on z
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:09 pm to
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Bob Starkey, he did lead LSU to a Final 4


I must have missed the day when Starkey got his college degree.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:11 pm to
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A few weeks ago when mark Emmert was in town, they played part of his presentation on the radio. He said something about LSU being one of only 14 athletic departments nation wide that operates in the black rather than the red. Guess all those other schools should quit playing sports.


More than true.......
Posted by Michael J
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:18 pm to
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Pipe dream


Baylor is paying a 1 Million plus.
Posted by lsursb
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:21 pm to
Question.....about coaching changes and recruits in general, but specifically Krystal Fortan has already signed. I am sure Van wasn't the real reason she came here, but what happens if she doesn't like the next coach? Once a recruit signs with a school, is there no way out?
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3510 posts
Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:28 pm to
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A few weeks ago when Mark Emmert was in town, they played part of his presentation on the radio. He said something about LSU being one of only 14 athletic departments nation wide that operates in the black rather than the red. Guess all those other schools should quit playing sports.


Thanks for making my point. The athletic DEPARTMENT is turning a profit. But which PROGRAMS are turning a profit? And why should it matter if the entire department is turning a profit, that we hire a great women's basketball coach? It all contributes to the success of LSU as a whole. That's why this whole argument of "we shouldn't invest in a good coach because we lose money" is a weak argument.

If we're going to eliminate EVERY program that doesn't consistently turn a profit then, fine............no problem. But, when you do that know that what you're saying is that the only reason to field a college sports team is if it is making a profit financially. And if you say that, then you must admit what you're really running is a PROFESSIONAL sports program and not a college program. If that's what we're going to be, then I DEFINITELY don't have a problem with that. Then the only sports we'd have at LSU is football and MAYBE men's basketball. (maybe not if Johnson is retained as coach)

As for Forthan, I thought she'd given a verbal and not a written. But if she's already signed then she can't get out. She'd have to sit out a year
This post was edited on 3/16/11 at 3:29 pm
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:30 pm to
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Then the only sports we'd have at LSU is football and MAYBE men's basketball. (maybe not if Johnson is retained as coach)


No love for Baseball?
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:33 pm to
let me make myself clear for hopefully the last time

i have no problem with fielding teams

i do have a problem with paying coaches a lot of money when their teams lose money every season

i do not believe in throwing money at a program that never has proven to draw fans

i believe in fiscal responsibility, even at the college level. that does not make one professionally-minded
This post was edited on 3/16/11 at 3:34 pm
Posted by King Joey
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 3/16/11 at 3:34 pm to
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If we're going to eliminate EVERY program that doesn't consistently turn a profit then, fine............no problem
Yes, huge problem: Title IX.

You lose a lot of credibility when you try to ignore the distinction between not paying a 7 figure salary for a women's basketball coach and "eliminating the program." NOBODY is talking about eliminating womens basketball except YOU. Why? What possible motivation could you have for raising the issue of eliminating programs if you have a valid argument to make on the actual topic here?

Bottom line is we do know what programs turn a profit. Football obviously does, baseball usually does, and mens basketball usually does. There has never been any evidence to suggest that LSU Womens Basketball has turned a profit, despite several years of outstanding success.

That being said, I love having a great womens basketball team, so I'm all for spending money (within reason) to get a great coach. $1 million+ per year seems a bit unnecessary, but I'm all for a high 6-figure salary if it lands us someone we can expect to win big.

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