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re: With the AD that hired Orgeron on the way out
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:00 pm to Lord Orgeron
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:00 pm to Lord Orgeron
I don't think anyone is saying he needs to be fired prior to this season, that simply isn't realistic. But if he drops the ball, it is very feasible for him to be gone before next season or, at the latest, following the 2020 season.
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Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:01 pm to TrouserTrout
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Orgeron has done his job.
I was not a huge fan of the process that got him here, but I have no personal beef with O. He's got personality (which we seem to have overdone since zero personality Saban) and a real rapport with the kids and a huge slice of fans.
"Done his job" implies that he has done at least a C or C+ grade job (maybe a little better) and I certainly can't disagree with that.
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Many would say he’s done it above expectations
Back this down to some, and I might be with you.
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the program is in a steady incline.
I like some of the things he's done, but there is zero objective support for this. His tenure looks remarkably like Miles post-2011 tenure. Or, frankly, Dinardo's first 3 years. I'm not being a negative nancy, I'm being objective as possible considering I only have 1 football team.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:01 pm to Damone
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But if he drops the ball, it is very feasible for him to be gone before next season or, at the latest, following the 2020 season.
Cross them fingers baw! Your dreams can still come true
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:03 pm to Jack Daniel
quote:Orgeron is outperforming expectations. If the Brady hire works, Orgeron has punched his ticket. Not a chance he goes. Nor should he.
With the AD that hired Orgeron on the way out
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:03 pm to Damone
Of course not, he’s done the job of treading water and not falling to the bottom of the SEC but to sit here and claim he’s built anything or won anything the way his two kids constantly tell us is pure delusion. He was left with a goldmine and hasn’t made good on his promise to “get us over the hump” yet anyone who holds him accountable or to the same standards as the last 20 years is attacked by these two idiots.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:05 pm to Jack Daniel
Any new AD will simply ask O if he has what he needs to be successful, if no I will get it for you.
Now your job is to go out and beat Bama and win the west or I will find someone who can.
Now your job is to go out and beat Bama and win the west or I will find someone who can.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:05 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm being objective as possible considering I only have 1 football team.
This year will be his year to establish or he will lose some good will. No reason he can't go 11-2 or better.
The third year is generally considered the year a program comes into its own
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:06 pm to Jack Daniel
I would assume under a new AD Orgeron would pretty much be guaranteed two more seasons (barring a regression in 2019), but he would have to continue to show improving results in the records.
The biggest difference is that a new AD isn’t tied at the hip to Orgeron and can be objective about defining success/failure for him.
The biggest difference is that a new AD isn’t tied at the hip to Orgeron and can be objective about defining success/failure for him.
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, there's legit reason to be optimistic this year.
There certainly is. There is also legit reason to worry about 2020 at this point. New QB. No one on the d line. O line and linebackers will have some big holes. We'll see Os ceiling this year. We could very easily see his floor in 2020. I don't think either will be good enough for an AD who is not tethered to him (let alone the fans). That remains to be seen, but I think a HC change is very possible (right) after 2020 season.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:08 pm to tgerb8
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There is also legit reason to worry about 2020 at this point.
Worry all you want 
I'll enjoy the season to come. 
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:08 pm to Jack Daniel
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the only guy in the country that thought Orgeron was qualified
You're so fricking dumb. Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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I like some of the things he's done, but there is zero objective support for this. His tenure looks remarkably like Miles post-2011 tenure. Or, frankly, Dinardo's first 3 years. I'm not being a negative nancy, I'm being objective as possible considering I only have 1 football team.
Agreed. I hated the hire. He hasn’t been as bad as I expected. He has done an ok job. It’s the first time since ‘16 that I’ve felt we have momentum heading into the season. There have been a few nice, surprising wins in his first two years and inexcusable losses......par for the course. Hopefully, the momentum they have built can carry over this year with a dynamic offense to go with the defense. I’m hoping, but definitely not expecting. They are set up for an 11-1 season. Hopefully, he can deliver.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:10 pm to Madking
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yet anyone who holds him accountable or to the same standards as the last 20 years is attacked by these two idiots.
I have higher standards lil Babette
But truth never matters to you
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:11 pm to TrouserTrout
quote:incline?
What are you talking about? Orgeron has done his job. Many would say he’s done it above expectations and the program is in a steady incline.
O has gone 6-2 and 5-3 in the SEC in his two full seasons.
Before that, in Les' last 4 full seasons, we went 6-2, 5-3, 4-4, 5-3 in the SEC.
That's steady improvement?
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:13 pm to AlxTgr
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You're so fricking dumb.
What other schools so much as granted him an interview for a HC position following his dismissal from Ole Miss?
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:14 pm to Jack Daniel
I feel like it would be an incredible mistake for whomever the new AD is coming in, to fire any active coaches. Things are looking up with football, softball, and men's basketball. The new AD could come in and make a big hire for women's basketball and have everything be as it is for the time being.
The frequent 'melt' on the Aggie boards is if Woodward leaves and comes back to LSU that he is going to take Jimbo with him, which personally is something I don't want to see.
The frequent 'melt' on the Aggie boards is if Woodward leaves and comes back to LSU that he is going to take Jimbo with him, which personally is something I don't want to see.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:15 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:only if your expectations were 5-3 and 4-4 in the SEC.
Orgeron is outperforming expectations.
Those aren't my expectations, I can guarantee you that.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Hopes and standards aren’t the same thing but the truth never matters to you
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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This year will be his year to establish or he will lose some good will.
I agree.
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No reason he can't go 11-2 or better.
The West is amazingly strong right now. Could be 4 of the Top 6 teams in the country. Add in the East, and potentially 6 or 7 of the Top 12.
There are only 3 or 4 teams in the nation that can stay on the field with the SEC champs, whoever that turns out to be. The difference between 2 losses and 4 is extraordinarily thin at this point.
If we define the "modern" era as the beginning of SEC play (for our purposes), then LSU has lost at least 2 games in every season except:
1933 7-0-3 (just weird - LSU had 47 tie games, but 6 of them in just 2 seasons, 1933 and 1953 and went 14-2-5 in the first 2 seasons of SEC play)
1946 9-1-1
1958
1961 10-1
1962 9-1-1
1969 9-1
1987 10-1-1
2003 13-1
2011 11-1*
Posted on 4/17/19 at 2:19 pm to PenguinPubes
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O wasn't a popular hire, but he’s proven he can bring in talent. Let’s guve him a couple of years
Most people i talked too and most former players were pulling for Coach O to get the job. I do agree he has proven to be a good hire as the program is on an upward trend.
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