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re: will Miles get any heat from the OkSt scandal?

Posted on 9/11/13 at 1:50 pm to
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 1:50 pm to
I wish that Miles would've just insulted the source and ignored the content altogether.

Q: Coach Miles, do you have any comments about these allegations?
A: Well, these allegations are not coming from the NCAA or a legitimate source. This is a report from a man who was fired from his previous two jobs for lying. Next question.
Posted by The312
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:10 pm to
The lede of the new installment suggests that Miles intentionally contributed to a lax academic envirnoment:

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Shortly after Les Miles took over as Oklahoma State's football coach in December 2000, he introduced an exhortation that he would use often at the end of team meetings during his four years in Stillwater. "Academics first," Miles would say. "Football second."

Miles's words encapsulated one of the central pillars in the mythos of major-college football: that nothing, not even wins and losses, takes precedence over educating young athletes. The reality is that when jobs and money are at stake, priorities quickly skew.

As Miles said, "Academics first," he would hold up two fingers. And as he said, "Football second," he would hold up one.

"You heard his words but you saw what he was doing," says Doug Bond, a Cowboys offensive lineman from 2002 to '04. "So the thought process was that you're going to school just so you can play football."

Given the coach's message to his players, it is not surprising that 13 Cowboys who played between 2000 and '11 told SI that they participated in some form of academic misconduct, and 16 others were named by teammates as also having had schoolwork done for them. Players said that they routinely had their coursework completed by tutors or university staff members, that they were provided with answers to exams before taking them, and that they received passing grades despite doing little or no work. Players also allege that the academic counselor for football scheduled them in classes with exceptionally lax professors and pigeonholed them into majors without consulting them. "The philosophy, the main focus [of the program], was to keep [the best players] eligible through any means necessary," says Fath' Carter, a safety from 2000 to '03. "The goal was not to educate but to get them the passing grades they needed to keep playing. That's the only thing it was about."

Full coverage of SI's special report on the Oklahoma State football program

That philosophy took root after Miles was named Cowboys coach before the 2001 season and continued under Mike Gundy, who was the offensive coordinator under Miles and replaced him after the '04 season, players and former staff members say; less and less emphasis was placed on academics, and the school began admitting more recruits who weren't as qualified academically. "Were the players who came in after Miles [arrived] lesser students? Yes," says Carter. "So things had to be put in place to help them."



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Terry Henley, an academic adviser for football since 2000, denies the players' allegations that he scheduled them in easy classes and steered them to majors, but concedes that academics weren't a priority for Miles. "There was never pressure [to cheat], but Miles was like most coaches who want to be somewhere else," said Henley. "They're going to do what they need to do for two or three years, and they're not going to have to deal with whatever the fallout is. So, no, he didn't promote academics."

VIDEO: SI's special report on Oklahoma State

Miles, the coach at LSU since 2005, denies that he deemphasized academics while at Oklahoma State: "I always said, and I always meant, that academics was the most important thing." Of the one-finger, two-finger gesture, Miles says it happened just once in "a moment of humor."


I find it irksome that an expose which is supposedly about misconduct at OSU over the course of a decade under two coaches fixates almost exclusively on Miles.
This post was edited on 9/11/13 at 2:18 pm
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:15 pm to
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13 Cowboys who played between 2000 and '11 told SI that they participated in some form of academic misconduct,


That leaves about 7 years that Miles wasnt even fricking there

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and the school began admitting more recruits who weren't as qualified academically. "Were the players who came in after Miles [arrived] lesser students? Yes," says Carter. "So things had to be put in place to help them."


conveniently added that word in to change what was said into WHEN Miles was there and not AFTER
Posted by cheeser
downtown Fishville
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:28 pm to
That name Porter mentioned in the article rings a bell
Posted by BGSB
Opelousas
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:38 pm to
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Tulsa columnist John Hoover says 9 of 12 players quoted were dismissed, transferred or quit, something SI left out. LINK …
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I had a very bad feeling about all of this, until I read the article in your 2nd link, Some shady shite going on with SI, and I have a feeling they just might get investigated themselves. Possible law suits against SI. This form of collective character assassination can't be ignored. Slanderous bullshite that could possibly ruin the livelihoods of several people, in addition to negative affect it can have on entire universities is fricking criminal activity. You can bet SI and it's writers will be under the microscope on this 1, and from what I'm reading they already are.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:43 pm to
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You can bet SI and it's writers will be under the microscope on this 1, and from what I'm reading they already are.


No. Even if nothing from this pans out, they (SI) get what they want no matter what. Readers and site hits.

Also you can't sue what you can not prove. It's not what you know, but what you can prove.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10283 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:43 pm to
This... it needs to be fought, and Thayer needs his arse exposed or he'll keep doing. He has it out for Miles and LSU,OSU anyone who is threat to his agenda. The stupidity of the national media is insane this guy is OU homer for gods' sakes.
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:54 pm to
Les responds, I am a pimp and I brush this stuff off.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:55 pm to
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Thayer needs his arse exposed or he'll keep doing.

Everybody who pays attention to college football already knows he's a joke. People who don't care about college football but see this story will buy it 100% but they'll forget about it in a week.
This post was edited on 9/11/13 at 2:59 pm
Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 2:59 pm to
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Everybody who pays attention to college football already knows he's a joke.


Except that isn't true. People know the articles and his smear campaigns, but almost no one remembers the name. Gotta make that stick if you want him ousted.
Posted by theBeard
Member since Jul 2011
6739 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:11 pm to
Coach and company on espn radio are blasting miles right now, saying he has never run a structured program. Also saying that the same thing is going on at LSU right now and has been for many yrs
This post was edited on 9/11/13 at 3:15 pm
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:18 pm to
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Coach and company on espn radio are blasting miles right now, saying he has never run a structured program



That's nice coming from someone who's greatest athletic accomplishment is being a WWE reporter.
Posted by HeavyCore
Member since Sep 2012
2552 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:19 pm to
They were blasting Miles right before the TCU game about Hill. Nothing new from them. Not sure why.
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9724 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:19 pm to
Yeah, just heard that. frick that guy Dan Dockeg or whoever. Called Les Miles a fraud and said he can guarantee LSU is conducting illegal and possibly criminal activities right now. He has no fricking clue or proof of anything he's spouting of about. frick espn for letting this douche have a forum for his rambling hit piece editorial.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:20 pm to
This is what I hate. How in the frick would they know. Neither has ever stepped foot on the fricking campass
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:21 pm to
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Yeah, just heard that. frick that guy Dan Dockeg or whoever. Called Les Miles a fraud and said he can guarantee LSU is conducting illegal and possibly criminal activities right now. He has no fricking clue or proof of anything he's spouting of about. frick espn for letting this douche have a forum for his rambling hit piece editorial.


Even better from a Bowling Green basketball guy. These freaking people.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:21 pm to
Also, he clearly had no clue about anything lsu and thought Hill played week 1
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
30682 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:22 pm to
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Also saying that the same thing is going on at LSU right now and has been for many yrs

orly?

As the other thread on the Rant said, this whole thing probably started as an investigation into LSU, but came up empty.

With a hack like Evans, if you could've found even one player willing to spill about LSU, he would've.
Posted by StormTiger
Norwich, England (from Texas)
Member since Dec 2003
4908 posts
Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:39 pm to
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13 Cowboys who played between 2000 and '11 told SI that they participated in some form of academic misconduct,



haha I reckon about 13 out of any 100 college students you choose would admit to this...football players or not...
Posted by Jefferson Davis
Plank Road
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/11/13 at 3:40 pm to
Dan Dakich came across as an arrogant and utter fool during that segment. I have incredibly low expectations when it comes to ESPN, but good God that was awful. He KNOWS Miles is a fraud, he KNOWS all of these things happened at OSU, and he KNOWS that the same things are going on at LSU right now.

The idea of an out of work MAC basketball coach making these kinds of statements is downright laughable.

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