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re: Will Kevin Steele improve on his last bowl performance vs a spread offense?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:15 am to massiveattack
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:15 am to massiveattack
If he plays man coverage instead of trying to force his silly zone coverage schemes in the defense. LSU is at their best in man coverage. It's like forcing a round peg in a square hole with Steele as DC. That's his issue. He doesn't adjust the scheme enough to player strengths. It's hard for a college team to run a heavy zone scheme that LSU has been running a lot this year.
We have the athletes to shut their spread down. LSU is going to show tonight why a spread without heavy power implementation ain't going to beat an SEC team with good athletes. Going to also show all the idiots on this board why Chip Kelly would get slaughtered in the SEC.
Urban Meyer is the only spread coach capable of dominating because by design it's a power spread. You can't finesse SEC defenses with great athletes. You have to be physical at some point. TT might do that tonight but they're going to need to be physical in order to win. If they don't, LSU is going to slaughter them.
We have the athletes to shut their spread down. LSU is going to show tonight why a spread without heavy power implementation ain't going to beat an SEC team with good athletes. Going to also show all the idiots on this board why Chip Kelly would get slaughtered in the SEC.
Urban Meyer is the only spread coach capable of dominating because by design it's a power spread. You can't finesse SEC defenses with great athletes. You have to be physical at some point. TT might do that tonight but they're going to need to be physical in order to win. If they don't, LSU is going to slaughter them.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:32 am to Andre
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that WVU team that won the Big East played 3 ranked teams.
a 26 point home loss to LSU
a 3 point road win at cinncinati
and a beatdown of clemson, who was actually a 3.5 point favorite.
So they were better than a 7-5 Texas Tech?
Yes
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:35 am to deuce985
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deuce985
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:40 am to seawolf06
TAMU gets killed by LSU every year because Sumlin is still clueless how to get through the gauntlet in the SEC against premiere defenses. He doesn't have any power implementation to knock LSU off balance. Meyer dominated SEC because in order to run the spread you gotta cram it down their teeth sometimes. If TT was smart they'd put the Bama and Arkansas game on and use a power spread to rip LSU a new one. The spread can definitely work but it needs physicality in it that most seem to lack.
Finesse spreads take advantage of poorly coordinated defenses with lesser athletes and just keeps piling on them like Oregon's scheme. A simple man for man defense like LSU and allowing them to sit back in coverage they're going to stick to them like glue. That's why TAMU was dominated again this year because Steele played more man in that game than zone.
Finesse spreads take advantage of poorly coordinated defenses with lesser athletes and just keeps piling on them like Oregon's scheme. A simple man for man defense like LSU and allowing them to sit back in coverage they're going to stick to them like glue. That's why TAMU was dominated again this year because Steele played more man in that game than zone.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:43 am to massiveattack
With the extra time to prep maybe our DBs can figure this out.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:49 am to SammyTiger
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So they were better than a 7-5 Texas Tech?
Yes
based on what exactly?
how can you compare a team from 4 seasons ago in a now defunct conference to a team from this season?
simply because they won their conference and had more wins?
Western Kentucky won 10+ games this season and was a conference champion, therefore they must be better than an 8-3 LSU team who finished 6th in their conference, right?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:55 am to Andre
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based on what exactly?
Better record overall
Better record vs ranked teams (2-1> 0-4)
Won a BCS game
Tech plays in probably the most offense friendly conference in college football.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:28 am to ShortyRob
quote:Truly. Next year will feature disorganization and incompetence on offense AND defense.
Kevin Steele made history by being the first LSU DC to give up 20 or more points nine times in a row.
frick. I'm pretty sure I missed that stat and could have gone the rest of my life without knowing it!
When you consider the shite shows at QB we faced during that stretch............damn. That's just sad.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:41 am to massiveattack
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I'm honestly worried about his rumored panic attack disorder acting up
I love rumors don't you?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:58 am to massiveattack
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590 yds and 63 pts vs West Virginia in 2012
Those WVU offensive statistics look pretty similar to TTU
I think we hold them below 63. I thought the secondary showed improvement in A&M game, but that qb situation was apparent a mess at the time. I think going off of what we've seen this year, and not "hoping", we prob give up in the high 30s
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:28 pm to TheChosenOne
quote:Are you under the impression that no other DC in LSU history has had Special teams TD occur?
Um. Yes
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:42 pm to Andre
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that WVU team that won the Big East played 3 ranked teams.
a 26 point home loss to LSU
a 3 point road win at cinncinati
and a beatdown of clemson, who was actually a 3.5 point favorite.
And with our all world defense that we had in 2011, with the all world DC John Chavis, we allowed 533 yards of offense. The difference in the score...we didn't give them 4 turnovers , 3 on our side of the field to give short drives for scores.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 1:12 pm to Fratigerguy
fwiw 3 of LSUs turnovers were from pass plays , w va gained that many yards was because the QB threw it 65 times.
when you have an opportunistic defense , you relish in forcing a team into passing the ball because your opportunistic defense can create turnovers.
this year's defense was thrown on a lot (33 attempts / game) because (november notwithstanding) lsu was pretty good at stopping the run (despite everyone saying that DL was the weak spot of the defense). however this year's defense was not very opportunistic against the pass, intercepting only 9 passes on 363 passes thrown.
when you have an opportunistic defense , you relish in forcing a team into passing the ball because your opportunistic defense can create turnovers.
this year's defense was thrown on a lot (33 attempts / game) because (november notwithstanding) lsu was pretty good at stopping the run (despite everyone saying that DL was the weak spot of the defense). however this year's defense was not very opportunistic against the pass, intercepting only 9 passes on 363 passes thrown.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/29/15 at 1:20 pm to deuce985
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TAMU gets killed by LSU every year because Sumlin is still clueless how to get through the gauntlet in the SEC against premiere defenses. He doesn't have any power implementation to knock LSU off balance. Meyer dominated SEC because in order to run the spread you gotta cram it down their teeth sometimes. If TT was smart they'd put the Bama and Arkansas game on and use a power spread to rip LSU a new one. The spread can definitely work but it needs physicality in it that most seem to lack.
Finesse spreads take advantage of poorly coordinated defenses with lesser athletes and just keeps piling on them like Oregon's scheme. A simple man for man defense like LSU and allowing them to sit back in coverage they're going to stick to them like glue. That's why TAMU was dominated again this year because Steele played more man in that game than zone.
Tech doesn't have the personnel to do this (not many spread teams do and we're not even close), but I think that deuce985 offers a sound analysis...with Tech's 2nd best receiver suspended for this game, LSU will probably run a lot of man and we may have trouble getting separation...Tech will probably run Mahomes a lot in the beginning in an effort to bring up some secondary people...and pray that Mahomes stays upright.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 1:27 pm to lsuhunt555
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If I remember correctly, he didn't coach the bowl game.
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In the 2012 Orange Bowl, Steele's last game as a defensive coordinator, his unit gave up 589 yards and 63 points in a 70-33 loss to West Virginia. Clemson was ranked 59th in total defense after finishing 18th in Steele's first year there. LINK
Posted on 12/29/15 at 1:30 pm to emanresu
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In the 2012 Orange Bowl, Steele's last game as a defensive coordinator, his unit gave up 589 yards and 63 points in a 70-33 loss to West Virginia. Clemson was ranked 59th in total defense after finishing 18th in Steele's first year there. LINK
In MILD defense of Steele, I'd be interested to know his personnel changes after year 1.
I mean, look at LSU next year. We will be fielding a defense basically without linebackers and will be pretty suspect up front period.
Even a great DC might struggle. If Steele is not great, it could get friggin ugly. Especially if we can't get our offense out of the granny gear.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 1:48 pm to massiveattack
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Will Kevin Steele improve on his last bowl performance vs a spread offense?
If we can hold Tech to around 30 points with around 400 yards, I'd be happy! They've scored under 30 only twice all year. They scored 26 and 27 in those two games, and those were on the road (outside of Texas). The least amount of total offense they've had is 412.
Those two defenses were much better than LSU's was this year.
Even in 2011 the best we could do was hold Oregon to 27 points on a "neutral field", and hold West Virginia to 530 yards and 21 points.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 1:51 pm to That LSU Guy
as long as #7 doesnt run for multiple 70 yard runs.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 1:54 pm to ShortyRob
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Are you under the impression that no other DC in LSU history has had Special teams TD occur?
That doesn't matter. The statement is factually incorrect, you're a fricking retard if you argue against that.
This is the first LSU team to ever give up 20+ points in 9 straight games and Steele's shite defense is the biggest reason why. If the guy just said that, then he would have been correct. Instead he stretched it to pin it all on Steele's D when in fact they didn't give up 20+ points against SC.
Even the OP took out the 7 points WVU scored on a fumble recovery against Clemson, because...well...his D didn't give up those 7 points. It's a pretty basic concept.
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