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re: Will Jefferson start every game?

Posted on 2/5/11 at 7:55 pm to
Posted by JJ27
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 7:55 pm to
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wow you guys seriously think JJ is gonna start get over it he is not starting he is done why is that so hard to come to grips with?



Name ONE instance in Miles' tenure at LSU that he sat a returning senior starter for a newcomer in game 1.
Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 7:58 pm to
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wow you guys seriously think JJ is gonna start get over it he is not starting he is done why is that so hard to come to grips with?


Thanks. Hearing from someone who can see the future is always gratifying.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 8:00 pm to
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Name ONE instance in Miles' tenure at LSU that he sat a returning senior starter for a newcomer in game 1.







I understand the Rant's belief on this but give me ONE instance where Miles needed to? He is going to start whoever he feels is the best chance for him to remain in good standing at his 4 million dollar/ year job period. If Mett proves by game 1 that he is the better option, then he will start. If Mett never proves to be the better option, then he will not start next year. The whold "Miles plays seniors" thing is fine, but not to the point of losing games if there are better younger options.
Posted by grigd1
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 8:03 pm to
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quote:
wow you guys seriously think JJ is gonna start get over it he is not starting he is done why is that so hard to come to grips with?


Name ONE instance in Miles' tenure at LSU that he sat a returning senior starter for a newcomer in game 1.



Besides, it really doesn't matter who starts. The most popular man in the stadium will ALWAYS be the back-up QB. Book it!!!

As long as LSU rack up the W's it shouldn't matter but somehow it always does...

Posted by Uncommon Cents
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 8:07 pm to
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Besides, it really doesn't matter who starts. The most popular man in the stadium will ALWAYS be the back-up QB. Book it!!!

As long as LSU rack up the W's it shouldn't matter but somehow it always does...


You need to quit posting. You are way too smart.
Posted by hashtag
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 8:53 pm to
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Even the ingrained JJ hater should admit that he was the better option at QB this past year.


He was horrible all season except for the second half of the Alabama game and the bowl game against Texas A&M. Statistically, Lee played better than Jefferson throughout most of the season.

I think that both Jefferson and Lee have proven how horrible they are at quarterback at different times. But, Lee outplayed Jefferson at the beginning and middle part of the season. Jefferson was not the better option. Miles showed that by constantly putting in Lee when he needed a game winning drive.

It is just baffling to me why he still felt the need to start Jefferson when Lee was clearly outplaying him through most of the season. Lee got royally screwed by Miles being scared of the pick 6 and being in love with a 6'6" pocket quarterback that he thinks is dual threat because he is black.

Sure, Jefferson played well in the 2nd half against Bama (a game that Lee sealed at the end, might I add). He also had a good game against Texas A&M. But, don't forget that Lee outplayed him throughout the season despite getting less than 1/4th of the snaps that Jefferson was getting.
Posted by Paulu
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 9:28 pm to
Good Points. JJ was horribly inconsistent. We lose FL and Tn without JL.

If Mett does not start in the fall, he is NOT the answer to our QB problems.

Quit the BS offense, go to a pro style, ram the ball down the opponents throat, use the freaking play action, have a vertical passing game and attack. Stop playing not to lose. You can do that with a running game in conjunction with a vertical passing attack.

Want to qet different with the O, run the Wildcat and put Shep or Ware in the backfield - hell, put both of them back there.

Posted by StatMaster
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 9:35 pm to
JJ has been an inconsistent QB in his time as a starter at LSU. But, using his passing stats as a measure of his worth is only taking into account half of his abilities. He picks up a lot of yards and first downs running the football. JJ is at his best when he not "forced" into a passing situation. Whenever there is still a run/pass threat, he is at his best. Which is exactly why he is not as good in a 2 minute situation when LSU has to drive the length of the field to score i.e. the end of the FL and TN games this year. When LSU can run the football effectively and keep JJ out of third and longs, he is very effective. When they can't, he is not nearly as good. He is what he is.
Posted by hashtag
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 2/5/11 at 9:37 pm to
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If Mett does not start in the fall, he is NOT the answer to our QB problems.



Not necessarily. I think that Miles has sold his soul to JJ. The only way JJ doesn't start is if he is hurt. I wouldn't be surprised to see JJ and Lee continue to split time next year.

Yes, they've both been pretty bad. But, they also have a combined 6 years of experience on Mett in the SEC. Mett is going to have a hard time getting playing time next year, much less starting. And, it has no bearing on how good of a QB he'll be the next two years.
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 2/5/11 at 9:57 pm to
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Not necessarily. I think that Miles has sold his soul to JJ. The only way JJ doesn't start is if he is hurt. I wouldn't be surprised to see JJ and Lee continue to split time next year.

Yes, they've both been pretty bad. But, they also have a combined 6 years of experience on Mett in the SEC. Mett is going to have a hard time getting playing time next year, much less starting. And, it has no bearing on how good of a QB he'll be the next two years.



I see the Negatigers are struggling to come up with new material.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:16 am to
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If Mett does not start next year, it will be hard to consider him the 2nd coming and savior.

He already has college playing experience and gotten better coaching than both JJ and JL.


I think people are kind of forgetting this a bit. Mett is not an incoming freshman like Zach Lee was this year. Dude will be a 21-year-old, 3rd-year QB, who played A LOT last year (even though it was JUCO). His situation is somewhat unique. Most JUCO Qbs were either less talented late bloomers or didn't have the grades to go D-I. Mett and Cam Newton's situations coming in are pretty unique.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:23 am to
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Name ONE instance in Miles' tenure at LSU that he sat a returning senior starter for a newcomer in game 1.


Name 1 where he has sat a better QB in favor of the inferior one. Sure, Les is loyal, but that didn't get Jai Eugene on the field this year. Hasn't gotten TC McCartey to put down the clipboard in an SEC game yet.


Les is very loyal--and that loyalty may make him subconsiously biased towards players who are harder-working, "tougher," etc...but Les has done absolutely nothing in his 6 years to indicate that if Mett comes in and clearly outperforms JJ in practice and takes the job, that he won't give it to him. He's more loyal to the team than any individual player. What you call "loyalty"(which I'm sure Les would call "experience" or "knowing what your'e going to get") might break the tie, but it's not going to give the edge to someone who is clearly getting outplayed in practice. JJ playing so much last year spoke WAY more to his feelings on Lee than his feelings on JJ imho.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:30 am to
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You have the JJ warriors that think he can do no wrong


link?


These, like the "Miles can do no wrong" guys, are all mythical straw-man creatures that do not exist. They were created by the anti-Miles negatigers to "win" arguments that were not even being had, in some pathetic desperation to grasp any little piece of pat-themselves-on-the-back satisfaction that they could, as the joy of an 11-2 and top 10 ranked season passed tauntingly right by their eyes.
Posted by ztucke2
Fort Worth
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:31 am to
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Hot Carl


Your logic has no business in this argument.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
61232 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:43 am to
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slackhouse


Either you are:

a) retarded

b) related to Lee

c) SEVERLY overrating how good Lee was when he played this year



Like the poster above, I think Lee is better passing in a 2-minue when you HAVE to go the length of the field and score, but the gap between Lee's and Jefferson's passing is not as big as the gap between Jefferson and Lee's running. Though no Vince Young, Jefferson's runs (and threats of running) helped us pick up 1st downs this year. Especially towards the end of the season.



Nobody was cussing Miles and screaming for Lee to start mid-season more than me, but I think Miles stuck with who he thought gave LSU the best chance to sustain drives, keep the football, score a few points, and eventually win the game. I actually have MORE respect for him for not just bowing down to the wrath of of Rant and actually sticking to his guns. He is privy to much more information than any of us are. When somebody comes on here and says how Lee was just dominating JJ in practice all year, then your point might have more merit. But they--and it--won't.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 12:46 am to
Lee was no worse than Jefferson in the games he participated. Jefferson made a couple of nice runs but he also made a few bone headed ones that lost yardage so I think each cancel each other out.
Posted by PeterPan
Neverland
Member since Jul 2010
310 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 2:43 am to
yall are all retards T.C. McCartney is gonna win the starting job I have inside info
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
75081 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 3:25 am to
NO.
Posted by PeterPan
Neverland
Member since Jul 2010
310 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 3:29 am to
red sox suck dick fricktard
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61583 posts
Posted on 2/6/11 at 3:31 am to
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link?


These, like the "Miles can do no wrong" guys, are all mythical straw-man creatures that do not exist. They were created by the anti-Miles negatigers to "win" arguments that were not even being had, in some pathetic desperation to grasp any little piece of pat-themselves-on-the-back satisfaction that they could, as the joy of an 11-2 and top 10 ranked season passed tauntingly right by their eyes.



Do you ever read Uncommon Cents posts? No matter what you post, his arguement is 11-2...11-2...doesn't matter how shitty JJ was...11-2 so he should be the starter. His favorite arguement is Ole Miss had better passing stats, but JJ won more games. I would think that qualifies as a JJ warrior that thinks he can do no wrong.
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