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re: Will Crowton stick with what works this year?
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:37 am to josh336
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:37 am to josh336
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I really don't know, maybe, but to me, if he does, then he does it for every game, not just the ones we score under 30 points.
oh no doubt, that's not what i'm saying at all.
I know jimbo said miles handcuffed him a lot of times fwiw.
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Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:37 am to josh336
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We have met the enemy, and they are us!
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:39 am to josh336
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When the offense plays great and scores alot, Crowton had his hands fully on the playcalling, but when it doesn't, Miles has his hands in it?
basic ranter logic
when Miles wants to throw a game he'll start calling random shite. I thought this was common knowledge?
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:40 am to TheDoc
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I know jimbo said miles handcuffed him a lot of times fwiw.
And Miles is still handcuffing him at Florida St.!
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:41 am to Ryno_Kill
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And Miles is still handcuffing him at Florida St.!
did you see the Fl St. bowl game?
pretty impressive...
I miss the WR bubble screen...
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:49 am to TheDoc
whenever the offense struggles....
the rantards claimed Saban handcuffed Jimbo
the rantards claimed Miles handcuffed Jimbo
the rantards claimed Miles handcuffed Crowton
anyone else see a pattern...
the rantards claimed Saban handcuffed Jimbo
the rantards claimed Miles handcuffed Jimbo
the rantards claimed Miles handcuffed Crowton
anyone else see a pattern...
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:51 am to The Egg
Miles/Crowton dynamic aside, I think I've seen what he's getting at though:
Some games, you'd see a series where the offense is what I call 'all over the place' in a good way. Times when so many different playmakers are getting the ball in unpredictable ways, and the offense is moving at will. I remember saying 'man Crowton is unleashing his genious' and noticing how diverse the playcalling was. I think he is at his best when spreading the ball around the entire field. I wish I could point out specific drives, but I'm too lazy to go back and search. However, I think you guys have seen what I mean.
Then, in that very same game, we'd start to see more repeats of the generic run/pass plays going to only a couple ballcarriers. I don't know, it's hard to describe. Everything just goes a little more vanilla, with some of the more unique plays (that worked) never getting called again. And while we all like 'trick' plays on occasion, I'm not even talking about those.
There is some element of jekyl/hyde at work, but it's hard to put a finger on. There is no doubt he is capable of outstanding playcalling, we just wish we'd see it more regularly. Perhaps the quarterback situation had him a bit more handicapped last season - hopefully we'll see him in top form with a couple mobile quarterbacks at his disposal.
Some games, you'd see a series where the offense is what I call 'all over the place' in a good way. Times when so many different playmakers are getting the ball in unpredictable ways, and the offense is moving at will. I remember saying 'man Crowton is unleashing his genious' and noticing how diverse the playcalling was. I think he is at his best when spreading the ball around the entire field. I wish I could point out specific drives, but I'm too lazy to go back and search. However, I think you guys have seen what I mean.
Then, in that very same game, we'd start to see more repeats of the generic run/pass plays going to only a couple ballcarriers. I don't know, it's hard to describe. Everything just goes a little more vanilla, with some of the more unique plays (that worked) never getting called again. And while we all like 'trick' plays on occasion, I'm not even talking about those.
There is some element of jekyl/hyde at work, but it's hard to put a finger on. There is no doubt he is capable of outstanding playcalling, we just wish we'd see it more regularly. Perhaps the quarterback situation had him a bit more handicapped last season - hopefully we'll see him in top form with a couple mobile quarterbacks at his disposal.
This post was edited on 3/27/09 at 9:54 am
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:51 am to TheDoc
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it has seemed in two seasons, we'd see a GREAT play, and then never see it again the rest of the year...
I think that this was his major point of criticism when he was OC at Oregon. It's almost as if he has so many weapons at his disposal that he sometimes can't figure out a way to work them all into the offensive scheme.
There are 2 pass plays that LSU ran during the 2007 season that seemed to work every time. One was the play when he had Flynn roll out and then throw back across the field to the opposite side. The other was the no huddle quick pass to the tight end that scored 2 TDs in the BCSCG. It reminded me a lot of Tim Tebow's "basketball pass". I love how Crowton has used the TE more as a weapon as opposed to just being an extra blocker.
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:56 am to GautLSU
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There is some element of jekyl/hyde at work, but it's hard to put a finger on.
it goes from filet mignon to 99 cent hamburger between series... and then back again.
from wide open march down the field to conservative 3 and out.
like in the other thread...
we get to see scott and keiland on the field at the same time with scott taking a handoff or blocking or keiland, and it works really well and...
nothing.
never saw it again the rest of the season.
Posted on 3/27/09 at 9:57 am to LouisianaLonghorn
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It's almost as if he has so many weapons at his disposal that he sometimes can't figure out a way to work them all into the offensive scheme.
the misuse of trindon is apalling at times.
yes gary, everyone KNOWS your going to give trindon the ball. Use him as a decoy sometimes...
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:01 am to TheDoc
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the misuse of trindon is apalling at times.
yes gary, everyone KNOWS your going to give trindon the ball. Use him as a decoy sometimes...
+1000
This is something that has driven me crazy since Crowton took over as OC.
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:02 am to LouisianaLonghorn
Here is a thought. Maybe the defense of the other team adjusts and our execution isn't quite the same.
Think of it this way, A shooter is hot, you make an adjustment, put a bigger guy on him, all of sudden, same shooter is not as hot. Same shooter, same plays, just not as successful. you try switching plays, shooter is now tired and doesn't hit the same shots.
I think you can make this same assessment on every offense or defense in the country. Sometimes they are hot, then don't get the same execution, due to fatigue or the other team makes an adjustment and they aren't as successful. the fan's in the stands assume the opinion if they would have done this or done that it would have worked.
At the end of the day, when you can put up close to 400 yards a game and 30 points, you have a successful offense and a very good o.c./h.c. whomever is making the play calling.
Think of it this way, A shooter is hot, you make an adjustment, put a bigger guy on him, all of sudden, same shooter is not as hot. Same shooter, same plays, just not as successful. you try switching plays, shooter is now tired and doesn't hit the same shots.
I think you can make this same assessment on every offense or defense in the country. Sometimes they are hot, then don't get the same execution, due to fatigue or the other team makes an adjustment and they aren't as successful. the fan's in the stands assume the opinion if they would have done this or done that it would have worked.
At the end of the day, when you can put up close to 400 yards a game and 30 points, you have a successful offense and a very good o.c./h.c. whomever is making the play calling.
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:05 am to BilJ
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When the offense plays bad, Miles had his hands in it
What about the job Miles did with the 2006 offense? Personally, I thought the last 5 games of the year the play-calling was great. We began seeing JaMarcus tuck it and run for 15 yards at a time, the misdirection slant to Bowe and Doucet across the middle, and the Tennesseee game was the first time I recall seeing the fullback fake quick pitch out to Keiland. The slant and the pitchout have been very effective for us ever since. And I don't think it was Jimbo behind the 2006 offense at the end of that season.
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:08 am to lesgeaux
we were shown some film from last year and were told of what will be different this year. Looked exciting to me, but what do i know? my brother liked it though.
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:09 am to lesgeaux
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What about the job Miles did with the 2006 offense? Personally, I thought the last 5 games of the year the play-calling was great. We began seeing JaMarcus tuck it and run for 15 yards at a time, the misdirection slant to Bowe and Doucet across the middle, and the Tennesseee game was the first time I recall seeing the fullback fake quick pitch out to Keiland. The slant and the pitchout have been very effective for us ever since. And I don't think it was Jimbo behind the 2006 offense at the end of that season.
great points, but can you even explain auburn 2006?
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:09 am to dmitch
Did Miles tell you it would be different, or Crowton?
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:10 am to dmitch
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we were shown some film from last year and were told of what will be different this year. Looked exciting to me, but what do i know? my brother liked it though.
dmitch!
Hope to see your brother starting sooner rather than later!
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:10 am to josh336
they were both in there along with DJ, the WR coach
Posted on 3/27/09 at 10:11 am to dmitch
FWIW, do you think Miles has his hands mixed in with the offense?
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