re: Why You Can't "Stack the Box" vs. Auburn (with graphics/pics)

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We just saw 2 different games. besides watching Shawn Alexander run for about 290 on us I don't remember anyone running thru, around, and over us ever. He is a stud and I give Auburn all the credit for saturday but I dont think LSU had a good scheme and the rest of the sec will prove me right by playing aggressive against him.

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I saw the same game. I'm not going to debate scheme with you...I've learned not to do that with folks online that are convinced they know more than the coaches getting paid big bucks. As OBU said, it's debatable anyway. Scheme is highly overrated in most cases...execution, and talent are more what makes things go. Sometimes you just get beat. We're 8 games in...seems like some coach would have come up with the plan you have in your head...IF it was viable.

Okay first of all you are wrong on your image. To depict the picture above, your image would have to look more along the lines of this:



and to stop it AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE, we would have to have done something along these lines:


*Of course put PP7 on the island with one receiver
*Also the DB and Safety could interchangeably blitz. If the safety blitzed, the DB would cover and if the DB Blitzed, the safety would cover. Just to mix it up a little. My guess is Chavis would have Mathieu somewhere in the mix of blitzing. I don't see a problem playing man to man coverage.
*Especially with Kelvin spying in the middle and a safety overlooking the deep zone.
*I realize that this is basic but you can come up with many different schemes from this basic idea.


Of course Chavis could have probably thought of a slight more effective way to do this, but that would be a basic man to man blitz in that formation that with PROPER TACKLING, I'm sure we could've stopped Cam Newton a la Auburn's first possession.

Using your image in the picture...here is another way to stop the motion play:


*Again PP7 on the island with Kelvin Sheppard spying in the middle

Again...Chavis could've probably tinkered with this solution a little and probably been a lot more successful with PROPER TACKLING.

He may not have been able to stack the box due to Newton's breakaway ability, but he sure could've blitzed all day long. I would have much rather see Newton beat us with his arm than with his legs, a la inaccurate 4th down pass to a wide open receiver.

Sorry about the mix up earlier.


Thanks to OBUdan for teaching the nub how to post pics!

I hope that I will not get bashed to harshly for this. I know it's a basic scheme and that Chavis could have altered it to make it a lot better than the mumble jumble I came up with!

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Scheme is highly overrated in most cases...execution, and talent are more what makes things go. Sometimes you just get beat. We're 8 games in...seems like some coach would have come up with the plan you have in your head...IF it was viable.

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You and I think very much alike.

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jberg46

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Just to clarify, the image I used wasn't representative of any way I saw LSU line up.

I just did a basic lineup of how a team would match-up with the offensive formation Auburn trotted out there predominantly.

I haven't rewatched yet... still working up the courage, but I'm positive we mixed and matched coverages and tried a mixture of zones and mans. I know we blitzed on at least a few occasions.

To me, the bottom line is that Malzahn is one of (if not the best) Offensive coordinators in football. His offense was decent last year, even with Chris Todd playing QB.

Throw in a guy who is a dynamic athlete both running and throwing, and it makes Gus' attack that much more potent.

I haven't watched closely to see exactly what Chavis tried to do coverage/blitz wise, but my main impetus with the thread is on how we lined up and how "stacking the box" simply isn't possible.

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And no team in the country is going to stop Auburn with this scheme that you are defending. Nobody. You would get the same result against anybody else. A 7-on-6 running setup with Newton at QB and only 2 LB's trying to cover the running game from sideline-to-sideline is going to blow up in your face no matter who you are. It's plain incompetent.

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This

According to OBUDan AU is completely unstoppable out of this formation

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According to OBUDan AU is completely unstoppable out of this formation

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if they block as well as they did Saturday, it probably isn't stoppable.

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if they block as well as they did Saturday, it probably isn't stoppable

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Hasn't been stopped yet...

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I can't for the life of me figure why school pay coaches the money they do, when it would be much easier to put a bank of computers on the sidelines and let the fans call the plays.

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I hate shite like this. Coaches are infallible. Miles against Ole Miss never happenned last year folks... after all we pay him so we must be imagining it.

Miles must be as good as Saban, both get paid the same.

Coaching doesnt matter as long as tehy are paid, they are equal. That is what you are effectively saying.

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Now...I'm not an option football coach...but option football has been around a while, and I've never heard any coach say that blitzing is the answer to stopping it. In fact, just the opposite is the best answer. You can't play undisciplined, run like your hair is on fire, defensive football vs option teams...trust me, they have an answer for it.

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I completely agree BuckSweep. If you look at my older posts, I put before the Auburn game was even played. We HAD to have played assignment football or it would have been really rough.

Although, I disagree somewhat with your statement. It is possible to blitz and still play assignment football. Bo Pelini was the master of it a few years ago. I remember when he was coordinator. I used to love watching LSU. It seemed like they would blitz almost every play and still be able to play the pass in the back. Pelini was, well still is, a MASTERMIND.