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re: Why You Can't "Stack the Box" vs. Auburn (with graphics/pics)
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:31 pm to Buck Sweep
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:31 pm to Buck Sweep
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Buck Sweep
You did a much better job of breaking it down than I did.
Malzahn is one of the absolute best in the business. :bow:
This post was edited on 10/26/10 at 3:38 pm
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Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:34 pm to Topwater Trout
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containing and not penetrating(like usual)
We rank 37th in the country in TFLs.
19th in sacks.
Our entire line is about penetration and disruption and we didn't do it Saturday.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:37 pm to TowandaTiger
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I was disappointed with that as well, but I would have liked to have seen a bit more run blitzing. I think if we had done more of this it might have worked. They would have been a little hesitant to double team Nevis as much as they did.
I'm definitely in agreement with you.
I'm all for forcing the issue.
I just don't think putting 8 guys down in the box is the way to beat this offense.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:41 pm to Doc Fenton
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Taylor didn't do anything wrong on that play. It's not his job to cover McCalebb all the way to the damn sideline. He came up on a RB who had nobody within 10 yards of him, and pushed him further to the outside, where Mathieu got his arse blocked off and couldn't help on contain.
To say that play was the fault of Taylor is just stupid.
sarcasm?
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:43 pm to OBUDan
Don't know if anybody's noticed, but Auburn's OL is playing lights out. They're not getting any credit, or very little. We have a couple of great blocking backs too, one of which is also a very talented receiving TE.
Cam is #3 in the nation in passing efficiency, and #2 in Yards per Attempt. Obviously he passes little, but he's not your run of the mill "option QB" He complets 65% of his passes, and has a 9.9 Yards Per Attempt avg. That's HUGE...only one QB in the country has over a 10 Yards Per Attempt avg. Our leading WR avg's over 17 yards per catch.
I honestly think they did they best they could, and they held Auburn's offense in check a good portion of the game. Playing the option is mentally and physically taxing, and it's assignment football. Auburn finally accomplished what it wanted with the big run by McCaleb, but it took over 3 Quarters.
Cam is #3 in the nation in passing efficiency, and #2 in Yards per Attempt. Obviously he passes little, but he's not your run of the mill "option QB" He complets 65% of his passes, and has a 9.9 Yards Per Attempt avg. That's HUGE...only one QB in the country has over a 10 Yards Per Attempt avg. Our leading WR avg's over 17 yards per catch.
I honestly think they did they best they could, and they held Auburn's offense in check a good portion of the game. Playing the option is mentally and physically taxing, and it's assignment football. Auburn finally accomplished what it wanted with the big run by McCaleb, but it took over 3 Quarters.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:46 pm to OBUDan
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because of a few reasons:
4) their WRs did an awesome job blocking.
It would've been nice to try some different things rather than 6 in the box all day.
This post was edited on 10/26/10 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:46 pm to Buck Sweep
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Don't know if anybody's noticed, but Auburn's OL is playing lights out. They're not getting any credit, or very little. We have a couple of great blocking backs too, one of which is also a very talented receiving TE.
No doubt about that. Your offense as a whole is operating a very high level right now.
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I honestly think they did they best they could, and they held Auburn's offense in check a good portion of the game. Playing the option is mentally and physically taxing, and it's assignment football. Auburn finally accomplished what it wanted with the big run by McCaleb, but it took over 3 Quarters.
Agreed.
You guys whipped us up front. And you consistently broke tackles (Dyer, Newton, Fannin). Hard to slow down any offense when that happens, much less a very good one.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:47 pm to WM88
No doubt about that too.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:49 pm to Doc Fenton
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Give it up. This defense of the nickel D against that offensive setup is ridiculous. You can't allow a QB to sit there whistling all day before deciding what lane he wants to run through.
He never completed a single pass downfield on LSU all day. If you bring one man off the edge, he's not a threat to automatically be able to find out which of his 4 receivers to throw to.
Auburn ran for more against LSU at a higher yards per carry average than what they could do against no other SEC team. The coaches messed up.
There were no adjustments made and AU kept killing LSU with simplicity. Huge coaching gaffe.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:51 pm to OBUDan
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We rank 37th in the country in TFLs.
19th in sacks.
Our entire line is about penetration and disruption and we didn't do it Saturday.
that is my point they were playing gap control and read and react
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There were no adjustments made and AU kept killing LSU with simplicity. Huge coaching gaffe.
Actually, there were adjustments made, and they were anticipated and taken advantage of. I noted them in my post above where we scored on the same play two different ways...once with Cam on a keep because the DE played contain, as he's normally coached, the second because they adjusted (in the way you're supposed to adjust to option football) with the end stepping down to plug the hole Cam had been running through all day. The play is designed to hit one, then the other after the expected adjustment is made.
This post was edited on 10/26/10 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:57 pm to OBUDan
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I'm all for forcing the issue.
I just don't think putting 8 guys down in the box is the way to beat this offense.
What could Auburn have done if LSU did stack the box? At some point in the game, Miles and Chavis had to try something different.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 3:57 pm to Doc Fenton
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Doc Fenton
Posted on 10/26/10 at 4:00 pm to Chicken
What I noticed in the game was that the D pretty much sat in position until the snap of the ball. What happened to the different looks the D gave to the other teams we played? Moving the LB's and safeties up to the line until right before the ball is snapped maybe would have him read wrong and mess up.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 4:01 pm to Buck Sweep
as a former defensive lineman I tell people all the time that the offenses I hated playing against the most are the ones where you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Your diagrams show exactly that as I feel for our RDE. He has been taught all his life when that guard is coming to trap you squeeze and close the gap. If he doesnt then there is a huge hole inside, when he does he loses contain around the end.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 4:02 pm to OBUDan
IMO Lsu did not shed blocks or tackle well. If you don't do those things it doesn't matter what alignment you are in. Give credit to Au for holding their blocks well but it was apparent to my uneducated eye that Au won the battles in the trenches on both sides.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 4:05 pm to General13
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IMO Lsu did not shed blocks or tackle well. If you don't do those things it doesn't matter what alignment you are in.
This was the glaring issue Saturday. Not the scheme.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 4:07 pm to OBUDan
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This was the glaring issue Saturday. Not the scheme.
When a team gets over 400 yards rushing on you and you don't adjust your scheme, its a problem.
Posted on 10/26/10 at 4:07 pm to OBUDan
yea we culdnt lose the blocks snd when we did we missed the tackle
not a recipe for winning
not a recipe for winning
Posted on 10/26/10 at 4:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What could Auburn have done if LSU did stack the box?
The thing is, no defensive coordinator worth his salt would EVER stack the box against a 4 WR set.
But, if we did...
Cam hasn't thrown it much, but it would put our back 7 in a seriously vulnerable position for pass defense. Auburn spreads out so so much, with defenders playing in our around the box, it's difficult to bail out and get back into position to cover the pass with the way they run their offense (no huddle, quick snaps). It doesn't give the defense the chance to do the stuff we've done successfully all year (disguising blitzes, showing them and then bailing, mixing up defensive fronts etc.).
shite, Malzahn wrote a whole book on this stuff.
There's multiple websites out there that break it down in much finer ways and with much better understanding than I do.
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