re: Why You Can't "Stack the Box" vs. Auburn (with graphics/pics)

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Been in meetings so I have lost touch with this discussion. And barely had time to read this before replying my question is when coachs watch game film on opponents do they watch film to see what has been effective against that teams offense and defense or do they say "we are a different team with different players so we better come up with a new and different way to stop them" doesn't matter if opponent struggled on 5 out of 6 gamefilms vs. blitzes or what have you.

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I think a little of both.

For instance, most teams don't have a guy they can isolate on one player and forget about. We do. So other teams have to scheme around that, so it changes things drastically. Now LSU gets at least one free defender on many plays where other teams have to resort to double teaming that same guy.

I'm not saying the scheme was infallible, but I also don't think it was THE reason our defense struggled (which is what many have contested).

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I was wrong, BUT you are missing a few 20+ yarders. Dyer went for 29 in the 3rd and Cam went for 29 in the 2nd (you only have one of them). Cam also went for 23 in the third.

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Yeah you are right.

I'm still pissed our guys didn't tackle. Maybe there was a way to defend it better, but watching a 6'5, 240 pound defender be there and not bring Newton down and then watching a 6'1, 177 pound one bring him down on another play is frustrating as shite.

Verne and Gary discussing the defense...

Verne: "Is it just a matter of talent on defense or a scheme?"

Gary: "Yeah, it's definitely a talent thing and the front four..."

This was mid 2nd quarter.

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Sure, if you walk a safety into the box and leave a man uncovered, Auburn will gladly throw to a wide open person all day.

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wow, u r clueles. if we walked up our cover 1 safety, we would still have 4 CB's covering their 4 WR's. there would not be a wide open Wr to throw to unless a guy beat ohe of our DB;s. u understand we were playing a 4-2-5 with one of those 5 DB;s being a safety in cover 1 coverage?

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Been in meetings so I have lost touch with this discussion. And barely had time to read this before replying my question is when coachs watch game film on opponents do they watch film to see what has been effective against that teams offense and defense or do they say "we are a different team with different players so we better come up with a new and different way to stop them" doesn't matter if opponent struggled on 5 out of 6 gamefilms vs. blitzes or what have you.

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I'm sure they all find things that have worked, and IF they think they can do them, the try to implement them.

What most people don't know about coaches is that they all "do what they do". None of them change what they do each week. That's not to say that they don't make tweaks here and there, but an I formation team doesn't suddenly decide to go 4 wide because their upcoming opponent got shredded the week prior by a spread team. Coaches have, or should have, a good base of packages defensively that covers the opponents they will see. Fact is, most defenses you see today are sound schematically, and you might have to tweek a job or two, like against an option team. I've watched some game film of other AU opponents...all of them ran lots of 2 deep safety looks...they walked some up too, but usually when we had two backs in the backfield. I haven't seen one yet that went Cover 0 man vs our 4 WR look. Not saying it hasn't been done, just not a lot.

But to answer your question, yes, I'm sure that if they see something successful, and it's something that fits in to what they already do, AND fits what they can do personnel wise...yeah, they'll "steal it".

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u understand we were playing a 4-2-5 with one of those 5 DB;s being a safety in cover 1 coverage?

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I'm not sure we played this once all day.

I know I'm the only one writing here right now, but I just wanted to throw out that after Newton's 49 yard TD run (which gets more and more brilliant upon review)... Danielson makes a direct comment..."It's NOT SCHEME... It's the athletes. These guys are changing college football."

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You're wrong again. If there was 8 guys in the box then that would leave 1 WR uncovered not 2. 4 WR's vs 3 DB's = 1 WR uncovered not 2. Remember SEC Football is 11 vs 11

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In the context of what I was saying, which was that you leave your safeties over the top, then yes, you leave two men uncovered.

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LSU had 6 guys in the Box, Auburn had 6 blockers. The RB is a Blocker if it's a running play that is NOT the Zone read,

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Happened once, maybe twice. They ran the zone read to death... over and over and over.

The only time they didn't they were designed QB runs.

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In the context of what I was saying, which was that you leave your safeties over the top, then yes, you leave two men uncovered

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That makes no since man. No defensive coach would do that. NO coach is going to leave his Safeties over the top in such a scenario. They would switch to man coverage. No coach is going to knowingly, purposely leave a WR uncovered.

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Happened once, maybe twice. They ran the zone read to death... over and over and over.

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Ok, I don't have TIVO and have only seen the game once but I remember a shite load of QB Power & QB Counter that raped our arse the whole game. Why don't you go back and watch the game again & tell me (HONESTLY no BS) how many times Auburn ran QB Power, QB Counter & QB lead. Then tell me how many times they ran the Zone Read. I'm assuming you know enough about football to know what plays I just described to you?

I'll be waiting.