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re: Why weren't there 2 seconds added at Ole Miss?
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:10 am to JPLSU1981
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:10 am to JPLSU1981
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I'm seriously confused at the different ways the replays were used in the SEC (LSU vs Ole Miss) and the Big12 (Nebraska vs Texas).
Both coaches fricked up, but nonetheless the application of review of time remaining on the clock was obviously different.
It's simply because in one instances time was left on the clock and in the other there was no time left. Right or wrong, that's it.
In the LSU game, the officials didnt exactly have much time to make a determination on wheter they should review.
Had Tolliver made the catch with :02 left then the clock went to :01(meaning we never tried the spike), I'd be willing to bet the play woulda been reviewed, without question.
And that is the answer, right or wrong by the refs, that is why the 2 situations were different.
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Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:16 am to shel311
Correct me if I am wrong, but in the Texas game I could clearly hear the whistle with 1 second on the clock. The fact the play was dead meant the clock did not start when ball is placed either which gave Texas enough time to kick the field goal.
With LSU if I remember correctly you do not hear the whistle on the catch or when TT hit the ground but once Refs see the ball in his grasp. Leaving some people will say 1 second and others 2. But the clock is suppose to start when the ball is set, so LSU did not have time to get field goal team out there.
Had Texas been in a similar situation where there was a catch I do not think they win the game. The fact the ball was out of bounds helped them.
With LSU if I remember correctly you do not hear the whistle on the catch or when TT hit the ground but once Refs see the ball in his grasp. Leaving some people will say 1 second and others 2. But the clock is suppose to start when the ball is set, so LSU did not have time to get field goal team out there.
Had Texas been in a similar situation where there was a catch I do not think they win the game. The fact the ball was out of bounds helped them.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:18 am to Geaux Shaggy
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Correct me if I am wrong, but in the Texas game I could clearly hear the whistle with 1 second on the clock. The fact the play was dead meant the clock did not start when ball is placed either which gave Texas enough time to kick the field goal.
Whistle or hand motion signaling the play dead.
The main discussion here is that the play, even if the timeclock was correct, was never even reviewed.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:29 am to Golfer
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The main discussion here is that the play, even if the timeclock was correct, was never even reviewed.
Yep.
And like I said, with :01 showing and all the confusion, there wasn't enough time for them to decide on a review.
Had the clock gone to :00, that woulda actually HELPED LSU, IMO. If 2 full seconds ran off to :00, then I think the refs would have reviewed it and added time which woulda gave us time to set up a field goal.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 5:10 am to diehardfan
I'm not sure why the Ole Miss game matters anymore, but for argument's sake, the ref did take his sweet time stopping the clock after Tolliver hit the ground for the first down. I was so mad at LSU for its brain farting that I couldn't pin it on the refs. Officials have never cost a team a game it didn't have a fair chance to win in spite of their blunders. Let's not lose sight of the fact that LSU was outplayed by Ole Miss for most of the game, and would have owed a thank-you prayer if a victory had come about. The 9-3 season without ever getting brains beat out was a step forward (actually a remarkable achievement for an offense ranked near the bottom) and the Outback Bowl against Penn State ain't such a bad gig.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 6:43 am to JPLSU1981
even if we beat ole miss, we still play in the capitol one bowl. relax. 
Posted on 12/6/09 at 9:36 am to Golfer
oops, no, hide this line of thinking.
there have been a few rants about this already.
i called out about the 2 sec screw weeks ago.
wow, how do the ranturds deal w/ this IF the national media picks up on it and excuses miles.
wow, there would have been two weeks of attacking miles wasted.
oh, ok, an attack is never wasted, just remember it, don't make amends, go on w/ your reasons to attack miles.
if miles would have gotten the two seconds, do you really believe the ranturds would have abated the attack? especially since it validates their feelings of five years ago?...yeah, sure.
there have been a few rants about this already.
i called out about the 2 sec screw weeks ago.
wow, how do the ranturds deal w/ this IF the national media picks up on it and excuses miles.
wow, there would have been two weeks of attacking miles wasted.
oh, ok, an attack is never wasted, just remember it, don't make amends, go on w/ your reasons to attack miles.
if miles would have gotten the two seconds, do you really believe the ranturds would have abated the attack? especially since it validates their feelings of five years ago?...yeah, sure.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:17 am to JPLSU1981
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TT hit the ground with 3 seconds left. That's what I'm talking about.
Because the ref has to call the play a completed pass before the clock can be stopped. It just does not stop automatically when someone catches the ball.
Last night was a different story. The pass has to be called incomplete from the ref before the clock stops. As soon as that ball soared out of bounds they decided to put 1 sec back on. Refs CLEARLY wanted UT in the NC game. Would not have been a big draw if TCU would have gone.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 10:19 am to JPLSU1981
so that Miles would have another reason not to have the field goal team on the field like Texas did with 1 second.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 11:17 am to fanrun
I don't know if anyone touched on this but when a player gets a first down, the clock only stops to move the chains, it doesn't completely kill the clock.
Reviewing the time would have essentially given LSU an extra timeout because it would have stopped the clock for at least two minutes, giving LSU time to get the FG unit set before the clock restarted.
Last night, the time question came on an incomplete pass meaning the clock is stopped regardless.
Reviewing the time would have essentially given LSU an extra timeout because it would have stopped the clock for at least two minutes, giving LSU time to get the FG unit set before the clock restarted.
Last night, the time question came on an incomplete pass meaning the clock is stopped regardless.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 11:54 am to JPLSU1981
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JPLSU1981
Posted on 12/6/09 at 12:53 pm to caliendo
No - the spiked play was not officially run. Game ended before we snapped the ball.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:04 pm to AlwysATgr
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No - the spiked play was not officially run. Game ended before we snapped the ball.
This. That's why we got screwed.
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:26 pm to Geauxtiga
same thing happened in the USC/Notre Dame game. One second was added back on to give ND another shot.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:33 pm to Antonio Moss
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I don't know if anyone touched on this but when a player gets a first down, the clock only stops to move the chains, it doesn't completely kill the clock.
Reviewing the time would have essentially given LSU an extra timeout because it would have stopped the clock for at least two minutes, giving LSU time to get the FG unit set before the clock restarted.
Last night, the time question came on an incomplete pass meaning the clock is stopped regardless.
Go back and read my post on this thread. That is what I said last night.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:43 pm to JPLSU1981
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Why weren't there 2 seconds added at Ole Miss?
You do realize that there was no spike because JJ never got the snap off right?
You are talking about two completely different situations. LSU ran out of time and didn't get the snap off. Texas threw the ball out of bounds with a questionable 1 second left.
Totally different. This thread is dumb.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 3:16 pm to RANDY44
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Total incompetance by the SEC officials on the field and in the replay booth.
I have to say that I can't ever recall a year when so many questionable calls were made or not made in college football and I'm just not talking SEC.
I know it's a tuff, thankless job, but geezzzzzzzzzz.
Posted on 12/6/09 at 4:11 pm to JPLSU1981
McCoy got lucky: The overule was fair.
Jefferson got unlucky: His coaches didn't have a clue.
Jefferson got unlucky: His coaches didn't have a clue.
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