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re: Why weren't there 2 seconds added at Ole Miss?

Posted on 12/5/09 at 11:51 pm to
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/5/09 at 11:51 pm to
Seriously... Why such poor clock management? Why do they get into field goal range and then dick around trying to get another five yards in ten seconds? Just kick the damn FG.
Posted by MisterLuce
Member since Nov 2009
759 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:10 am to
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I'm seriously confused at the different ways the replays were used in the SEC (LSU vs Ole Miss) and the Big12 (Nebraska vs Texas).



Because a certain coach didn't ask for a review. Doesn't matter. As soon as the ref orders the 2 seconds added, he will blow his whistle to signal the ball ready for play. Do you really think Les had our team prepared to be on the line, ready to take the snap, the instant the official would announce such a decision? No way. The way it would go down - official would ask that three seconds be added - the ball is already ready for play, he blows the whistle, clock starts, and the game time runs out before LSU even gets to the line.
Posted by MisterLuce
Member since Nov 2009
759 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:12 am to
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what burns my arse about the Ole Miss game is that you can clearly see the back judge running in after we tried to spike the ball to say he had gotten buzzed for a review, then he just did nothing as the teams streamed onto the field. If you still have it DVR'd check it out.



How would that work out? Once the next snap is taken, the play isn't reviewable. Thus:


If the reviewers determined there should have been 3 seconds on the clock - the play is valid - thus the review should have never happened.

But if they determine there should be time added to the clock, the game clock was correct, therefore the play never happened since it occurred after the snap.

Either way you lose.
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 1:13 am
Posted by MisterLuce
Member since Nov 2009
759 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 1:15 am to
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If they added 2 seconds, we kick the field goal and win. Even if they didn't add any time, the time to review would have allowed us to get the kicking team on the field to try to kick the game winner.
I like how you just assumed Les has trained the kicking team to take a snap on a whistle. Clock would still start on the ref's whistle after such a review.
Posted by lsualum01
Member since Sep 2008
1755 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:01 am to
I think that the point has been lost here. I thought the same thing when they gave a second back to Texas. I felt like if Texas should have gotten a second back, LSU should have gotten 3 by the same standard. If LSU beats Ole Miss like they should have then I think that some of you thick skulled folks have a different opinion of Les Miles.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:13 am to
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I like how you just assumed Les has trained the kicking team to take a snap on a whistle. Clock would still start on the ref's whistle after such a review.



Two seconds is plenty of time to snap the ball when you have time (due to the review) to get the kicking team set.

I'm still baffled that there was no review during the LSU game.
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 2:14 am
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
Member since Jan 2009
27604 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:14 am to
McCoy threw an incomplete pass that hit the ground with 1 second left on the clock. The ABC crew showed a clock superimposed against the play that showed this. An incomplete pass stops the game clock. Therefore, Texas can run their FG unit out and snap the ball without time running out. The play clock doesn't start until the ball is snapped.

In the OM game, the LSU play caught the ball. The game clock is stopped to move the chains for the completion. However, once the ball is set and the ref blows his whistle, the game clock begins to run. Time ran out while Jefferson was spiking the ball.

I don't think the "nefarious ref" angle is going to work in this situation.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:16 am to
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I don't think the "nefarious ref" angle is going to work in this situation.


With a play that close, it should have been reviewed. Even to confirm there was 1 second remaining. Doing so would have given LSU PLENTY of time to have the kicking unit ready.
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
Member since Jan 2009
27604 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:17 am to
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With a play that close, it should have been reviewed.



What is there to review? The LSU player made the completion.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:18 am to
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What is there to review? The LSU player made the completion.


How much time was left when the play was signaled dead.

Jesus were you not watching the end of the B12 championship?
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 2:19 am
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
Member since Jan 2009
27604 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:22 am to
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How much time was left when the play was signaled dead.



Time expired before the ball was snapped to Jefferson. This is fundamentally different from the NU/TX game.


quote:

Jesus were you not watching the end of the B12 championship?


Jesus, did you not read the post that you replied to? I referenced that game in the first sentence.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:28 am to
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Time expired before the ball was snapped to Jefferson. This is fundamentally different from the NU/TX game.


You aren't getting it. The official is allowed to review to see when the play is called dead (see tonights game). In the instance 3 weeks ago, the official would have done the same to see if one of the following scenarios happened:

1. The game actually ended and the play was blown dead after the clock hit 0:00
2. The call was correct that the play was blown dead at 0:01
3. The call was incorrect and the play was blown dead at 0:02 or 0:03 and would adjust the clock accordingly.

Yes, the clock would start once the official signals for it, however, during all of that time to get the headset, talk to the official upstairs and review the play. LSU would have had infinite amounts of time to assess the situation and have the FG unit on the field in their positions to snap the ball.

Bottom line: in a game that close, the play should have been reviewed for clock purposes. If the play had not been reviewed tonight, the game would have ended.
This post was edited on 12/6/09 at 2:30 am
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
Member since Jan 2009
27604 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:32 am to
Oh, yeah. Its late and I screwed that up. Ya'll got completely screwed. No doubt about it. The officals should have reviewed it to see if Jefferson spiked it with time remaining. That sucks. Oh, well. Here's to you beating the hell out of Penn State.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
15613 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:33 am to
also, i think with 3 seconds, JJ could've spiked the ball, then the kicking team would've surely had ample time to setup.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:33 am to
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The officals should have reviewed it to see if Jefferson spiked it with time remaining.


The previous play you idiot. Not the spike.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
15613 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:34 am to
earlier in the yr, FSU vs Miami, i thought an extra second or two should've been added to the clock, allowing for another play too.
Posted by NBamaAlum
Soul Patrolville
Member since Jan 2009
27604 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:35 am to
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The previous play you idiot. Not the spike.



Oh, you want them to have reviewed the completion? The completion that stopped the clock long enough for the chains to move?
Posted by wil
Member since Nov 2006
654 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:35 am to
While it doesn't excuse the poor clock management, we got scr*w*d. But Miles should have been arguing for a review of how much time was left. He was unprepared for anything other than a completion or incompletion in the end zone.

The likelihood of all hell breaking loose at Ole Miss if time was put back on the clock is no reason for the ref not to do his job.
Posted by lsutiger2486
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
6761 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:35 am to
If there would have been more than 1 second Jefferson could have easily spiked the ball. Who cares if we would have had to get the team out there to kick in 2 or 3 seconds.

Tonight proved we got unbelievably screwed.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 12/6/09 at 2:36 am to
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also, i think with 3 seconds, JJ could've spiked the ball, then the kicking team would've surely had ample time to setup.


Correct. I probably wouldn't try that with 0:02 though, which it what I think would have been given to LSU had it been reviewed.
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