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re: Why LSU isn't hosting
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:58 am to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 6/1/22 at 10:58 am to Ponchy Tiger
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I am so confused. You are saying mid week games matter. Matt Mascona says everyone is stupid and mid week games don't matter. Of course he is right because he is so much smarter than everyone else. Don't believe me, just ask him.
The committee changes it's mind year to year to defend who they want in.
In past years, the mantra was that if you take care of conference games, midweek games don't matter. Apparently this year, the committee decided that a single midweek games counts as much as a weekend conference game.
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:03 am to MikeTheTiger71
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I’m not sure of the context of that statement. It could be the rationale used to seed UNC and Auburn lower than their RPI would suggest,
I think the context was about NC State being left out but Ole Miss getting in. I don't remember the full thing.
The inconsistent standards year over year, and the inconsistent application of the standards in a given year, are problems.
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ND seems to have been excluded to limit the ACC to 4 hosts and make room for a minor conference team.
The fricking "Grow the Game" reasoning they like to throw in there every once in a while.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:20 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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Apparently this year, the committee decided that a single midweek games counts as much as a weekend conference game.
In deciding hosts, the committee decided to go solely based on RPI (with a minimum threshold for record vs conference opponents). Implicitly that gave equal weight to midweek games since RPI doesn’t distinguish between the two, but I don’t think they explicitly made the choice to give them equal weight. I don’t think they gave it any real thought at all. I think the RPI rankings threw them for a loop and they took the easier (and cowardly) route to resolving the conflict. Instead of throwing out the RPI as unreliable, they doubled down on it instead.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:24 am to ProjectP2294
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The fricking "Grow the Game" reasoning they like to throw in there every once in a while.
Honestly, I think their motivation may have been cowardice. Maryland at #15 and Ga Southern at #16 gives true insight into what they really thought of the strength of those teams. They just didn’t have the guts to provide an explanation for denying a host bid to the #9 and #11 ranked teams in the RPI.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 11:34 am to trussthetruzz
Except that most of his points weren’t valid lol. They simply don’t match reality
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:03 pm to ccox11
We got swept by Arkansas, and they didn’t get one, and we received a much more favorable regional, so we should be happy and go play like champions if, in fact, we deserved better.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:18 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Implicitly that gave equal weight to midweek games since RPI doesn’t distinguish between the two, but I don’t think they explicitly made the choice to give them equal weight.
Agreed, but implicit or explicit the end result is the same. RPI doesn't differentiate between a midweek game with a teams 4th or 5th starter and a weekend matchup between aces.
College baseball is overdue for it's own NET style ranking.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:26 pm to ccox11
LSU should travel to LA Tech, ULL, and Southern Miss for weekend series yearly. Short trips against teams that will win a lot of games and you get 1.5 credit. It’s really a no brainer.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:27 pm to JJ27
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LSU should travel to LA Tech, ULL, and Southern Miss for weekend series yearly. Short trips against teams that will win a lot of games and you get 1.5 credit. It’s really a no brainer.
LSU should never play a weekend game against a team in driving distance.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:31 pm to ProjectP2294
So Maine is a better opponent? How? If you don’t want to give up the money just admit you’re not here to win championships. You’re here to generate money and winning is just a bonus. If LSU replaced the garbage opponents listed in the OP with the 3 I listed, we’d be hosting this weekend.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:34 pm to ccox11
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1) 11 games vs. Maine/Towson/Bethune-Cookman/Southern/Grambling. That number should be 2 (1 vs. Southern and 1 vs. Grambling). That's why our RPI is so low. An SEC team with a winning record and a top 16 RPI gets a host site even winless in the SEC tournament (see Auburn). We've got to start scheduling tougher. The first 4 non-conference weekend series should all be Q2/Q1 opponents. We've got to start scheduling more road games too. This new RPI formula that went into effect a few years ago that weights road wins 1.5x is why the RPI is so screwed up (see Dallas Baptist). Out of 26 non-conference games, 8 of them need to be away from Alex Box (2 weekend series & 2 midweek games). Play a tournament, play a regional road series (USM, South Alabama, Louisiana Tech, one of the Texas schools, etc.). Play a road game at either ULL or Tulane every season.
2) Jacob Berry's injury. LSU went 2-6 in the SEC games he missed. They went 16-9 in the SEC games he played. When he played, they were not just a host team but likely a top 8 seed. 5 of the 6 losses were against Alabama, Ole Miss, and Kentucky. They likely win 3 of those 5 with him.
3) Kentucky beating Auburn in round 1 of the SEC tournament. Playing Kentucky twice (especially losing once) killed our RPI. Playing Auburn/Vanderbilt/Tennessee would have been much better. Not to mention beating Auburn would have helped our case versus them for a host site. Also, Florida winning 3 straight games killed us as well. If they would have lost any of those 3 we would probably would have hosted. Basically, the 6 wins by Florida and Kentucky hurt a lot.
Taking even 1 of 3 (but preferably 2/3) from Ole Miss makes all of this moot.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:37 pm to Godfather1
LSU isn't hosting 100% because of LSU.
There are probably 5-6 games we lost because of errors. Some of those games came in SEC play. We finished with 17 wins. Add just two more games to that, and we are 100% hosting without any doubt. We left it in the hands of the committee, and every time you do that you are taking a chance of getting screwed over. Us not hosting is self inflicted.
There are probably 5-6 games we lost because of errors. Some of those games came in SEC play. We finished with 17 wins. Add just two more games to that, and we are 100% hosting without any doubt. We left it in the hands of the committee, and every time you do that you are taking a chance of getting screwed over. Us not hosting is self inflicted.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:40 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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We finished with 17 wins. Add just two more games to that, and we are 100% hosting without any doubt.
Yep.
As I said, just avoiding the sweep vs Ole Miss puts us at 18. I don't remember an 18 SEC win LSU team EVER being denied a host spot.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:45 pm to JJ27
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If LSU replaced the garbage opponents listed in the OP with the 3 I listed, we’d be hosting this weekend.
No, we'd have to load the mid week up with more shite opponents like Grambling and then our non-conference RPI wouldn't include a team outside of a three state radius.
There is no reason to play a team within driving distance on the weekend when you can play them mid week.
Maine wasn't the worst team on our schedule. That we played two weekend games against Southern is an abortion. Towson was worse than Maine. Bethune Cookman wouldn't have been as bad if they were still in the MEAC, but they are an absolute anchor in the SWAC. We should never play any SWAC teams on the weekend and never play any that aren't located in Louisiana.
You have to have one series each year with a Maine level team. This year we had one, with two series worse than that. You can improve series by still going out of region. Instead of Towson, bring in Bryant. Instead of Bethune Cookman, bring in North Florida. Instead of playing Southern on the weekend, play literally anyone else.
Lamar, Southern Miss, and South Alabama should be treated effectively like in state schools from a scheduling stand point. They should be on a regular rotation, with Southern Miss getting an away game like Tech, Tulane, or ULL.
We don't need to play UNO more than once a year anymore either. Northwestern, Grambling, and Nicholls could probably stand to be relegated to only play one or two of them each year rather than all three, with Lamar. Throw ULM in there, though they're getting close to being worth playing every year with SELU, McNeese, and the ones mentioned above.
I wish Shreveport still had a minor league stadium. A mid week neutral site game each year with TCU, DBU, Oral Roberts, or Oklahoma State would be great.
There are a lot of ways to improve the schedule. Playing ULL or LaTech on the weekend is not the answer.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:48 pm to JJ27
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LSU should travel to LA Tech, ULL, and Southern Miss for weekend series yearly. Short trips against teams that will win a lot of games and you get 1.5 credit. It’s really a no brainer.
So your plan is for LSU to play only one non-conference home series?
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:willing to bet they would make a lot more money on a regional than they would a home series against Towson
money. we like to make money, and we make more of it when we have to pay pennies to Maine to come here instead of paying dollars to someone like TCU to come here. The only reason we play at minutemaid is b/c it pays more than playing a home series.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:53 pm to Godfather1
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As I said, just avoiding the sweep vs Ole Miss puts us at 18. I don't remember an 18 SEC win LSU team EVER being denied a host spot.
An 18 win Arkansas team was denied a host spot this year and LSU would have still been behind Florida and Auburn in the RPI, which was the sole determinant of hosting as long as a team was at least 2 games over .500 against conference opponents. There’s little reason to believe one extra win would have been enough, unless that win had been against A&M. In that case, they would have tied for the division and been ahead of A&M in RPI. That would have gotten them a host spot.
Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:56 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Agreed, but implicit or explicit the end result is the same. RPI doesn't differentiate between a midweek game with a teams 4th or 5th starter and a weekend matchup between aces. College baseball is overdue for it's own NET style ranking.
I agree with you 100% on those points. All I was pointing out was that the committee didn’t give any real thought to the selection criteria or the implications of their ridiculous overreliance on the RPI.
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