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Why is Jerry Stoval so forgotten as an All-time LSU great?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:22 pm
His name is almost never mentioned. Obviously, this is inspired by his induction to the CFB HOF, but I've wondered this for years. I am a an avid LSU fan and am a fellow West Monroe High School alumnus, but I don't think I even knew he played at LSU until I was in high school. I only knew him as the Tech AD and former LSU coach. Strange that he's such an afterthought.
My uncle and I were actually having this discussion Saturday afternoon, and the only thing we can figure is the end his coaching left such a bad taste in everybody's mouth that they forgot just how great a player he was. Is that it?
My uncle and I were actually having this discussion Saturday afternoon, and the only thing we can figure is the end his coaching left such a bad taste in everybody's mouth that they forgot just how great a player he was. Is that it?
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Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:26 pm to Hot Carl
He did play in the 60s which is a long time ago especially for the internet generation. Heck, given some of the stuff that gets posted here it seems most were'nt even 'aware' in the 90s.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:29 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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He did play in the 60s which is a long time ago especially for the internet generation. Heck, given some of the stuff that gets posted here it seems most were'nt even 'aware' in the 90s.
Very true.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:31 pm to Hot Carl
Why isn't it Oates and Hall?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:33 pm to siliconvalleytiger
To many, he should have won the Heisman that year over Terry Baker of Oregon State.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:35 pm to los angeles tiger
LA Tiger. What's up. Haven't seen you around here lately.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:39 pm to Hot Carl
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My uncle and I were actually having this discussion Saturday afternoon, and the only thing we can figure is the end his coaching left such a bad taste in everybody's mouth that they forgot just how great a player he was. Is that it?
Probably. I, for one, think he should be celebrated because he got a lot of great recruits for future coaches...just didn't know that 2, if not all of them, would be idiots.
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:44 pm to Hot Carl
I think it's because there's no great moment that people know of to solidify his career, and that he followed up teams and players from 1957-59 (Jimmy Taylor, Billy Cannon, Johnny Robinson) that were more famous and had better pro careers.
The 1961 SEC co-title with Bama was good, but LSU in 1960-62 was beginning to be overshadowed by Ole Miss & Bama. Nobody looks back too fondly of teams that slide back into the middle of the pack from former glory.
In general, I think the whole era from 1960 to 1968 is sort of a "black hole" in the consciousness of the LSU fanbase.
The 1961 SEC co-title with Bama was good, but LSU in 1960-62 was beginning to be overshadowed by Ole Miss & Bama. Nobody looks back too fondly of teams that slide back into the middle of the pack from former glory.
In general, I think the whole era from 1960 to 1968 is sort of a "black hole" in the consciousness of the LSU fanbase.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 6:53 pm to Hot Carl
a long long time ago.
many on TD were not yet born.
many on TD were not yet born.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:00 pm to Doc Fenton
I agree Doc...even though the '61 and '62 teams were darn good.
My dad actually thought Stovall was a better player than Cannon even though he watched him up close since high school.
My dad actually thought Stovall was a better player than Cannon even though he watched him up close since high school.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:08 pm to Doc Fenton
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In general, I think the whole era from 1960 to 1968 is sort of a "black hole" in the consciousness of the LSU fanbase.
No doubt. Perhaps the athletic department should do a better job of educating the younger fans and promoting/honoring some of the older guys. And not just bringing them out on the field every 10 years during halftime when most fans are not really paying attention. It might have an impact on a potential recruit to know that they will be becoming part of a lifelong family and not just discarded after their 4-5 years.
Granted, I don't have any great ideas on how to do this, but I haven't really put a whole lot of thought into it. Surely there are some creative and cool ways.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:12 pm to Hot Carl
I'm still waiting on my invitation to halftime, fwiw.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:20 pm to Dale Murphy
Because he sucked as a coach, plain and simple. He did leave a lot of talent, and Arnsbarger made good use of it. Archer his first year, then it ran out and the rest is history.
Great player, terrible coach except for recruiting Simple as that. Take the great player part out and who does that remind you of? Hmm, it's coming to me. Let me sEe now, who doeS that remind me of?
Great player, terrible coach except for recruiting Simple as that. Take the great player part out and who does that remind you of? Hmm, it's coming to me. Let me sEe now, who doeS that remind me of?
This post was edited on 5/27/10 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:27 pm to TigerFanBigTime
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Great player, terrible coach except for recruiting Simple as that. Take the great player part out and who does that remind you of? Hmm, it's coming to me. Let me sEe now, who doeS that remind me of?
Get this fricking horseshite out of my goddamn thread, you fricking cocksucker.
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Dale Murphy
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:47 pm to Hot Carl
20 years from now I want to be right here starting a thread asking this about Hester
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:51 pm to BilJ
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20 years from now I want to be right here starting a thread asking this about Hester
So Hester was All-America robbed of the Heisman too?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:54 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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He did play in the 60s which is a long time ago especially for the internet generation. Heck, given some of the stuff that gets posted here it seems most were'nt even 'aware' in the 90s.
CORRECT!!! They haven't lived through shite!!!! Never saw him play, But he is most famous for the job he did in 1982. One of the BEST LSU TEAMS EVER.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 7:57 pm to Hot Carl
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Hot Carl
What movie is your sig quote from?
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:01 pm to dukke v
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But he is most famous for the job he did in 1982. One of the BEST LSU TEAMS EVER.
That 1982 team held Alabama to zero first downs in the first half on the way to a 20-10 win over the last Bear Bryant coached gump squad.
Posted on 5/27/10 at 8:48 pm to los angeles tiger
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That 1982 team held Alabama to zero first downs in the first half on the way to a 20-10 win over the last Bear Bryant coached gump squad.
Bear Bryant said it was "the best beating we've had since the 60's."
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