TigerFanBigTime

I like the comment about a guy like that with the ball in his hand knows what to do. As in, a pitcher.

News flash for Lesster; the catcher is actually considered to be the QB of the baseball team....and he touches the ball as many times a game as all of the pitchers put together.

It also brings up another interesting question; RB's and WR's get the ball in their hands too. Would they make a good pitcher, or a good QB? How about the center? T-Bob or Lonegran may want to sign up with Manieri post haste. :booboo:

Less needs to stick to what he knows; little league games, soccer matches, swimming matches, and sticking his weiner in......oh never mind.

He's better at being a family man than a coach, which is why he should quit and focus on going to swim meets, little league games, and kiddie soccer games.

The fact that he spends so much time with his family is exactly why he'll never be a great coach. Greatness at both is impossible; just about every great coach I can think of had personal relationships (wife, kids) that were either very dysfunctional or a total train wreck.

Who cares if he's a good family guy, that's not what he gets paid for.

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LSU lost our starting QB in 2006 and started the 2007 season #2.

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That's because we still had the Saban influence. I distinctly remember Steele's quote that year:

"While LSU has lost QB Jamarcus Russell as the #1. pick in the NFL draft, Nick Saban's influence is still firmly entrenched in Baton Rouge and is stronger than the mindless influence of Les Miles. Further, the Raiders signed what will turn out to be the biggest bust ever. In 3 years, the NFL will be talking about how poorly LSU players are performing in the NFL".

"There was a want to host a regional, but we will endeavor to finish first wherever we play".

Great coach? Seriously? Dude was NOT a good coach, and nowhere near the coach Arnsbarger was. I know first hand.

He was an assistant after his playing days, and then HC at LSU under the circumstances described in this thread. Where did he go from there? Another D-1 school? D-1AA school? An assistant at a major program? No, he was a V.P. for Hibernia Bank.

From there, he was an AD somewhere in LA, but that was based upon business acumen and sports knowledge, not because he was a great coach/sports mind.

His overall record at LSU was 22-21-2 and including 2 losing seasons out of 4. We had a great team in 82........as we did in 83 and 83 was a further indication of how bad of a coach he was.......and further indicated by Arnsbarger's success 84-86 and even Archer's success in 87.

The two best coaches at LSU were Saban and Arnsbarger. No question, hands down,no one else even close.

The two best recruiters at LSU have been Saban and a toss between Stovall and Miles, but Miles had an easier job than Stovall because of the all that Saban did from top to bottom (facilities, TAF donations, stadium, academic center, plus a NC after 45 years and a national powerhouse, as well as high profile and very good PR), but in some ways back when Stovall was here you pretty much just had to keep your in-state guys and without internet, 30 different sports TV stations/cable TV there wasn't as much pressure from out of state programs for in state talent.

From there, probably Mac or Dinardo were the best coaches, and one could argue Archer. Afterall, he had a better one year record than anyone in that group other than Saban. Then Leslie, then Stovall, then Hallman.

You could've plugged Arnsbarger, Archer, Mac, Dinardo into the exact same situation as Miles (assistants, players, program, facilities, etc) and they all could've easily gone 10-2 and I'd be willing to bet there would've been one more NC and at least one 0 loss or 1 loss season, if not 2 or more.

Well, I saw where Michigan self-imposed sanctions of which mandatory reduced practice time is part of it.

Boy, if we can combine that with some of the comments in this thread, and personal letters of recommendation from Sammich, Choctaw, Dandy, and a few others, UM has GOT to hire ol' Lezzter. Afterall, according to them, he's a better coach than Saban based upon his 5 year record at LSU....which means he's the best coach in the country.

He can turn that thing around quick; we all know that there's no way UM will be accused of doing too much work ever again, and they can be happy going 10-2 every year.

Think about it; he IS a very good recruiter. UM recruits itself like LSU recruits itself. Les can go out there with superior talent and only have 2 tough games a year in OSU, PSU, or ND. He can go 10-2 there easy. They may never win the Big 10, but he can go to a New Years day bowl or better every year and they should be ecstatic with that.........just as many on this board would be.

I'm going to put on P&G KAD sunglasses and say this is FANTASTIC. See, if we wind up ranked 22nd, we can celebrate as that will "better than projected".

I always enjoy setting the bar low, so that when you step over it you really feel like you've accomplished something....... :rolleyes:

I'd be remiss if I didn't add for the nth time "other great coaches" implies Less is great, when in fact he's middle of the road at best.

Your forgetting two BIG influences; Jimbo, and Pelini. Jimbo had the Saban mindset and approach, and Bo did too even though he didn't coach under him.

You guys discount "mindset", but mindset and approach are huge, and that comes about through influence, no different than having a very good teacher early on in school at various levels.

Saban instilled a mindset and approach that carried over at least a year or two, and Jimbo and Pelini are hard driving task masters the same as Saban.

It took awhile for that to wear off, not coincidentally after Jimbo, and then Pelini. You can see that in the O, as it was Jimbo and Saban's influence that was on Flynn, Hester, and the like. After that influence wore off, things went downhill on the O. Then, we saw the same thing on the D for one year, but luckily Chief came in and re-worked that mindset quickly.

In 2008 and 2009, your talking players and coaches who had no experience under the Saban regime, the mindset was all Jimbo and Pelini. Miles doesn't really have a mindset, and it shows on the field. That's why when you don't have strong assistants it's bitten us in the a$$. Miles is just sort of there, a non-factor as far as setting tone, and when the bar isn't set high, the tone is automatically set low.

There are always going to be 2 distinct camps on this until Less is gone.

There should only be one; the jury's still out on him.

It's amazing to me the people who support Miles support him due to 2 things:

1. He's our coach, therefore if you don't support him, you don't support LSU.

Really? Sort of like if you don't support NObama, you don't support the U.S.? Only in some twisted mindset/logic, is that the case. In fact, if you DO support LSU, you have every right to be vigilant and to speak up, even if speaking up means pushing for change at the top.

2. 2005-2007. Best 3 year stretch in LSU history, 2 west titles, 1 SECC, 1 NC. BUT, there's no way Saban's influence had anything to do with that.

Again, really? So, you guys must be the same guys who look at toothless Timmy from Trailerville, after he's won the Powerball, as being "equal" to Donald Trump.

You see, it appears that way for awhile, but only until Toothless Timmy has enough time to frick around with that money and get himself in a mess. As is usually the case, within 3-5 years, Toothless Timmy will be back living in Trailerville, and as a broke dick MF.

Why? Because he wasn't financially savvy, he wasn't a businessman, he didn't build or earn his fortune, he won it. Just like Less won the Powerball of college football with the situation he walked into.

No, the only true benchmark of Miles is MAYBE 2007-2009, but for sure 2008-2009. How did he do those years?

That's why I say, at best, the jury's still out on him. This year will tell us what we've got, and my strong belief is 4 losses minimum again, and it might be as many as 6.

We've got all the talent in the world, and forget the recruiting debate; surely Rivals, Scout, and every other 100 services out there can't be wrong.........and they certainly aren't wrong "more" with LSU than they're wrong with any other school. No, LSU has plenty of talent, and it's exactly THAT TALENT that's kept things from being worse in 08 and 09 than what they were, and quite frankly, we should've gone undefeated or had a 1 loss season at least once if not twice from 05-07.