re: Why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game?

This is an ironic thread considering what happened in OT on Saturday.

People will acknowledge that sometimes you have to take a risk to develop a young QB, and LSU should not be so vanilla on offense, but then they lose their shite when we throw 4 straight times in OT and lose the game.

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THe buck stops with Miles. Until he changes his offensive strategy or leaves, LSU will not have another conference or national champion. It's as simple as that. Is he fundamentally incapable of changing, stubborn, or just doesn't really know what he is doing?

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I still blame ESPN. these recruits can now see just about any of the top 20 teams in action week in and week out . It is probably obvious to even 17 and 18 year qbs that if you want to play for a passing team, stay way the Hell away from Baton Rouge. Did you not see the interview where miles said they look for people to play LSU(miles) style football, not players who would fit other offenses. That is why we can't get a good qb. Harris has skills, but he must not have read all these posts on here, or thought it was all BS. after all these years, it's pretty easy to see what he considers the offense that will be run, as long as he is coach. Which alas will probably be another 20 years . He damned sure couldn't get the sweetheart deal anywhere else that he has now. He apparently has nobody to answer to . Aleva must adore him.

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Like when we threw the ball 4x in overtime.

That 1st play was a perfect play call and wide open. The coaches can't catch the ball for the player

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You are correct, they can't catch the ball for the player. Do you think LSU would have been successful there running the ball in
OT when we needed a TD? Why do you think Cam called that play? Was that a high pct play to a guy that has sure hands? How does that affect the plays called on 2nd and 3rd down?

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Why does our identity of "a power running team" mean we have to be super predictable, basic, and inefficient in the passing game.


It doesn't have to be: See last year

And we were pretty unpredictable against Bama. Threw the ball on 2nd and 3rd and shorts. Even had some 1st down throws. Its hard to dig yourself out of a 2nd and 10 with a defense like Bama's

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Right, I get last year was a successful offense. But that really isn't
the norm for this team under Miles and the staff they knew last spring that those guys weren't walking through the door this year.

And you are proving my point. Even though LSU able to run on Bama some they weren't sustaining drives. Once they were forced out of their comfort zone how effective was it? Why was it not effective? When plan A isn't getting it and they go to plan B the results aren't so good. Why? Because they never bothered to develop plan B. It's been bad all year and in general this program's achilles heal. Throwing that ball to that guy on first down was like a trick play essentially.

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Wait, so you're saying we got a good QB recruit in the same post you said that we couldn't get one? Was Mett not a good QB?

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Mett was as good as he was because we didn't have to develop him. He used skills already in place.

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He damned sure couldn't get the sweetheart deal anywhere else that he has now. He apparently has nobody to answer to He would be hired in a second

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He might be hired in a second , but it damned sure wouldn't be at his present salary or a top team. Do you realize that some people think Miles is a horrible coach ? Ask around if you know anybody outside of La. And just for your knowledge, AD stands for Athletic Director. His decisions effect hiring and firing coaches, not sending in plays. You must really have one hell of a grip on the world around you

Les is a nice guy & can really recruit. For some reason he cannot get a good qb! if he does, none of the coaches know how to coach them up. Been like that since Flynn!!!

06 - Elite QB, elite WRs = offensive balance
07 - Really good QB, really good WRs = offensive balance
13 - Really good QB, elite WRs = offensive balance

05 - First year starting Jamarcus
08 - Lee/Hatch
09 - Jefferswag
10 - Jefferswag
11 - Lee/Jefferswag
12 - First year starting Mett
14 - Jennings

History tells us that Les will trust veteran, talented QBs to make plays. Unless LSU has elite talent at QB/WR, our passing game will struggle. Les clearly does not put much trust in the passing game unless he has a really talented QB that he knows can make plays. Jamarcus, Flynn and Mett all started NFL games. Does anyone think that Hatch, Jefferson, Lee or Jennings will EVER start an NFL game? Les and the coaches struggle to consistently recruit elite QB talent, and if they do, it takes a while to develop.

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2013 destroys this argument.

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Considering the talent we had it highlights the problem. We had the most talent and experience on offense that anyone could expect in a college program yet we were only above average on offense.

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We scored 36ppg last season

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We are scoring 31 PPG this year. Was last year's team only 5 points better than this slop? Cupcakes that you can score 40-50 against running it up the middle tend to help.

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and were #1 in 3rd down conversions.

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That's nice. Unfortunately it didn't translate into points.

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LSU will never be a top 10 team in total offense, because that's not how we are built. Teams like Baylor, Oregon, A&M, etc. will always be at the top of accumulation stats (like total offense, passing yards, etc.)

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Does "etc" include "points"? I would like to accumulate a lot of those. It is funny how you think that teams that score a lot are somehow gimmicky or just "accumulating stats".

Why do we expect so much from our defense yet so little from our offense? It seems as if some of you on this board think that having a good offense somehow hurts the defense.

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We are scoring 31 PPG this year. Was last year's team only 5 points better than this slop? Cupcakes that you can score 40-50 against running it up the middle tend to help.

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Since you did the analysis, why didn't you tell us that we averaged 30.9 PPG last year against quality competition? Is that becuase it doesn't help your argument?

This year we're only scoring 19 PPG against good talent......I'd say we're about 12 points behind last season wouldn't you?

Similarly, Zach was averaging like 270 yards a game if you take out shitty teams like UAB, Kent State, Florida, Furman and then take out Arkansas and Iowa due to injury.

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Does "etc" include "points"? I would like to accumulate a lot of those

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Does it really matter to you as long as you accumulate more than your opponent? Or do you want to be Washington State / Texas A&M / Auburn?

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We are scoring 31 PPG this year. Was last year's team only 5 points better than this slop? Cupcakes that you can score 40-50 against running it up the middle tend to help.

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PPG depends on a number of factors, but the fluff in our schedule this year has helped our scoring tremendously. We've played seven opponents this year that I deem as respectable (not ULM, SHSU, or NMST). In those seven games, we are averaging 22ppg.

Wisconsin - 28
Miss St - 29
Auburn - 7
Florida - 30
Kentucky - 41
Ole Miss - 10
Alabama - 13

158 total points, 22.6ppg.

In our first first 10 games last year minus the three fluff games (UAB, Kent St, Furman), we averaged 33ppg.

TCU - 37
Auburn - 35
Georgia - 41
Miss St - 59
Florida - 17
Ole Miss - 24
Alabama - 17

230 total points, 32.8ppg

That's a 10 point difference in PPG against quality opponents which is a pretty significant margin for a team that wants to hold the ball and control the clock all game. Do you really not see a difference between the two offenses?

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That's nice. Unfortunately it didn't translate into points.

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You sound like an ignoramus. Refer to my stats above.

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Does "etc" include "points"? I would like to accumulate a lot of those. It is funny how you think that teams that score a lot are somehow gimmicky or just "accumulating stats".

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No one said it's gimmicky; it's just a totally different philosophy. Are you stupid or something? Les has been here since 2005, and you still don't realize that our offensive philosophy isn't the same as Oregon and A&M? We like to control the clock, run the ball, play great defense and dominate field position. Naturally, you aren't going to score as many points if you like to run clock as opposed to run uptempo. Say we score 10 more ppg, but we give up 10 more ppg. Does that make our offense any better?