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re: Why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game?

Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:31 pm to
Not to mention that we averaged 6+ yards per play despite our heavy run numbers. That's good for 12th in that country
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:45 pm to
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well your opinion is even more fricking stupid. Just because we had great individual talent making spectacular highlight reel plays doesn't mean we had a high octane offense. It was quite pedestrian in fact.


LSU had one of the most explosive offenses last year, and had the best 3rd down efficiency of any team.

LSU was 22nd in 10+ yards plays from scrimmage
LSU was 5th in 20+ yard plays from scrimmage
LSU was 19th in 30 yard and 17th in 40+ yard plays from scrimmage

Mett was 2nd in ypa with 10.4 (tied with Petty and behind only Winston). He would be ranked higher than everybody for 2014.

Using a basis of 200 carries, Hill was 3rd in ypc average. With a basis of 150 carries, Hill was 4th in ypc. With 100 carries, he was 7th. Using a basis of 85 Magee was 11th, and Hill was 12th.

All of these are "in the country" BTW.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:49 pm to
The play calling against Bama wasn't bad. I only disagreed with a pass on third and 2 in the first half really.

LSU is a trey quinn 3rd down drop from beating Bama. Players have to execute. They couldn't and they lost. Everything is excuses.

Players just blew it. Coaches had them in position to WIN. Just couldn't do it.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:04 pm to
I wouldn't describe our '13 O as "pedestrian" but it wasn't spectacular either. We were 3rd in the SECW in passing and 5th in the SECW in O (ypg).

2013 SECW passing stats (ypg)
A&M 353.3
OM 283.3
LSU 251.0
Bama 248.5
State 244.5
Auburn 173.0
Arky 148.5

2013 SECW total offense (ypg)
A&M 538.4
Auburn 501.3
OM 473.3
Bama 454.1
LSU 453.3
State 434.4
Arky 357.2
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:09 pm to
I think the biggest hurdle is to have a QB who has all the mental tools as well as the physical ones at the highest level. The sand and the grit.

Our last several QBs outside of Mett just didn't have the acuity required. And Mett didn't have the mobility that made him a real running threat.


Where that QB is? Who knows. Wish we could have gotten Dak Prescott.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:17 pm to
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2013 SECW total offense (ypg) 
A&M 538.4 


Almost like # of plays run has a huge impact
Posted by mikeytig
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:20 pm to
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His history with the Ravens says otherwise..but he is not the boss.


Cam was run out of Baltimore because of excessive conservatism.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:22 pm to
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Because with the exception of last year since 2008 les miles has refused to throw over the middle of the field. That's 1/3 of the field the defense essentially doesn't have to defend.


My thoughts as well. Our approach to O fundamentally changed after '08.

I'm sure I'll draw a blank on some but I recall us throwing over the middle to DeSean vs Wisc (dropped), Dickson vs UK, and LF vs OM. Is that it?

I heard Hanagriff say before/just after the Wisc game that our TE's wouldn't have 20 catches among them for the year. I thought no way with a young QB. But after 10 games, they may not reach 10. It's just befuddling how little we use our TE's.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:23 pm to
Great college qb's are rare and usually I feel like the highly recruited guys don't flourish (I.E. Xavier Lee, Mitch Mustain, John Brantley and Aaron Corp).

I think a good amount of it is luck with the mentality of the kid, like A&M with Manziel, Baylor with RG3 or UT with McCoy.

I keep myself breathing every day by telling myself that LSU is due for a big time qb recruit, only time will tell.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 11:23 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:24 pm to
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Cam was run out of Baltimore because of excessive conservatism


Talking out of your arse

The biggest complaint against him was that he wasn't using Ray Rice enough

Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:24 pm to
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The play calling against Bama wasn't bad. I only disagreed with a pass on third and 2 in the first half really.

LSU is a trey quinn 3rd down drop from beating Bama. Players have to execute. They couldn't and they lost. Everything is excuses.

Players just blew it. Coaches had them in position to WIN. Just couldn't do it.


I find it hard to believe that you were in favor of the four straight pass attempts in the OT possession.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
19059 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:31 pm to
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Almost like # of plays run has a huge impact


It does. But we play by the same rules and even if you scaled things down to account for HUNH offenses, our '13 O was still an average O in the SECW.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:45 pm to
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Cam was run out of Baltimore because of excessive conservatism.


bullshite. He was let go because Harbaugh felt he didn't use Ray Rice enough & he actually wanted to go more no huddle with Flacco. Get your shite straight.
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
63645 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:46 pm to
Do you know how hard it is to develop a college QB. Weeks.

Posted by Cracking
Northshore
Member since Aug 2006
3460 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:53 pm to
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Why is it so difficult for LSU to develop a passing game?


Simple answer is a lack of precision execution. Les emphasizes a "no big mistakes" philosophy which simplifies the passing game and creates a lack of confidence in QBs without NFL caliber arms. Rather than demanding precision execution with understanding reads and check downs, he expects the QB to throw the ball to the designed primary read. If that WR is covered or the QB doesn't read the defense properly the passes seem forced. Mettenberger and Jamarcus were able to throw the ball more effectively because of NFL caliber arms to fit the ball into tightly covered WRs, but most college QBs don't have an arm like those two. Jamarcus was able to extend plays and see the field because of confidence in both his ability to avoid sacks due to his size and athleticism and his arm strength, but Mett was often guilty of forcing the ball into tightly covered primary options or holding the ball and taking sacks. Development of a QB is difficult when you emphasize keeping the ball safe rather than teaching the execution of reads. The game plan doesn't even need complexity, just needs effective route combos that can be properly executed. But when the QB with an average arm is told this is your primary option and don't make mistakes, it creates doubt when trying to scan the field and throw the ball with confidence to secondary options in the passing game.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21668 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:53 pm to
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Do you know how hard it is to develop a college QB. Weeks.


I wonder what style of offense he played in high school? I also wonder what style he playing in now? Hmmmmmm.........
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:55 pm to
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if you scaled things down to account for HUNH offenses, our '13 O was still an average O in the SECW. 


12th overall in the country in yards per play

1st in third down% (2ND best in 10+ years)

Mett was third in the country in yards per attempt

4th in country in passing efficiency
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21668 posts
Posted on 11/11/14 at 11:58 pm to
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TigerBait1127


It seems we are wasting our time. We get it. The one's who don't, never will.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
19059 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:14 am to
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We get it.


What did y'all get? Here's what we got: 9-3 and a trip to the Outback Bowl.
Posted by BigBrod81
Houma
Member since Sep 2010
21668 posts
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:27 am to
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What did y'all get? Here's what we got: 9-3 and a trip to the Outback Bowl.


So now it's the offense's fault for giving up 34 & 41 points to Mississippi St & Auburn earlier in the season? I could have sworn I've seen a young defense make huge strides as the season has gone along but they were a huge liability especially against the run early on.

The offensive line play was very inconsistent as well which didn't allow the run to be as successful as it is now. Is the passing attack where we all would like it to be, no. But to see how far the team has come this season is an accomplishment for both the players & coaches.

I guess going into this season it was National Title or bust right even though the team was set to have numerous freshman & sophomores contribute early on? C'mon, that just wasn't going to be realistic for this season. It sucks to lose a few games but this season is far from being a complete disappointment.
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