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re: Why I would have stuck with Ack
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:39 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:39 am to Lester Earl
And if he stayed with ACK, and ACK gave up some hits, the the same idiots would be here saying... I would have gone with JUMP.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:42 am to Lester Earl
Your real reason is that what we tried didn’t work so we should have done something else. Blah, blah, blah.
I didn’t see a lot of people screaming to keep Ack in there BEFORE we knew the outcome.
I didn’t see a lot of people screaming to keep Ack in there BEFORE we knew the outcome.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:54 am to Lester Earl
There is a difference between an error and a mistake, y'all need to understand that difference.
Both can have the same end result, one is planned and one is accidental.
In my opinion, Jay made 2 mistakes this week, both involving Ack, one nearly cost us a game, and the other certainly contributed to the loss of a game.
Brown made an error, an accident, that contributed to a loss.
Jay made two conscious choices, removing Ack from two games when he was dominating the other team.
Y'all need to figure out who's at fault here. I'm just a spectator.
Both can have the same end result, one is planned and one is accidental.
In my opinion, Jay made 2 mistakes this week, both involving Ack, one nearly cost us a game, and the other certainly contributed to the loss of a game.
Brown made an error, an accident, that contributed to a loss.
Jay made two conscious choices, removing Ack from two games when he was dominating the other team.
Y'all need to figure out who's at fault here. I'm just a spectator.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:01 am to RockoRou
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Jay made two conscious choices, removing Ack from two games when he was dominating the other team.
What? Ack only had 2 appearances in the regional, and he most certainly didn't "dominate" the first one.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:11 am to RB10
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- Stanford regional from last year. Stanford game 1 starter came in relief game 7 in a 1-1 game.
He came in the 9th to close out the game? Not the same scenario.
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- 2022 Arkansas regional. Arkansas game 1 starter pitched in relief in game 6.
You referring to the game in which he gave up 3 ER in 0.1 IP? Good example.
I didn't say it never happens. You said it happens every single year. And it hasn't happened the past 2 years.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:15 am to LSBoosie
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He came in the 9th to close out the game? Not the same scenario.
Starter of game 1 came in relief in a high leverage situation.
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You referring to the game in which he gave up 3 ER in 0.1 IP? Good example.
Starter of game 1 came in relief in a high leverage situation.
I brought two examples of starters closing a game in 2022. Your entire stance is coaches don't use starters in relief. Go sit in the fricking corner and quiet down.
ETA: I even missed that ECU used their starter from game 1 in relief in game 7 yesterday.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:17 am to Lester Earl
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Had they hit some long foul ball HRs or lined out a few times, sure.
Unfortunately they don’t always give you the courtesy of hitting a long foul
I get it but it’s still hindsight. We can’t ignore what happened the day before or all season. He went with one of the top pitchers and it didn’t work, of course not scoring for 7 innings and defense were also factors
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:17 am to Penrod
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Your real reason is that what we tried didn’t work so we should have done something else. Blah, blah, blah.
I didn’t see a lot of people screaming to keep Ack in there BEFORE we knew the outcome.
Lester actually said that exact thing.
Game Thread
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:25 am to LSBoosie
You actually replied to him and agreed a little later on…
IMO it wasn’t so much thinking Jump was gonna come in and give up two runs. It was more so about we didn’t have arms to burn and if this does get tied up, we are going to be in a real bind with the way our offense had played up to that point. Even if we don’t give up the go ahead in the 10th, Jump couldn’t have gone much longer. Then the season is down to Ulloa and Loer, only one of which instills confidence, but neither could have given you much. UNC still had one of their better relief arms in the pen and we hadn’t shown in 2 games that we could hit pence.
Hindsight is 20/20 but it appears Lester and Boosies gut were correct.
IMO it wasn’t so much thinking Jump was gonna come in and give up two runs. It was more so about we didn’t have arms to burn and if this does get tied up, we are going to be in a real bind with the way our offense had played up to that point. Even if we don’t give up the go ahead in the 10th, Jump couldn’t have gone much longer. Then the season is down to Ulloa and Loer, only one of which instills confidence, but neither could have given you much. UNC still had one of their better relief arms in the pen and we hadn’t shown in 2 games that we could hit pence.
Hindsight is 20/20 but it appears Lester and Boosies gut were correct.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:27 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:29 am to FredbullTN
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:29 am to RB10
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Starter of game 1 came in relief in a high leverage situation.
You just spent 2 page telling me how my examples weren't the "same scenario" specifically saying that it needed to be with 3 outs left.
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Find me multiple examples of team that need 3 outs to win
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You see, when I say “this scenario” I mean this actual scenario.
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Your entire stance is coaches don't use starters in relief.
Not once did I say this.
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ETA: I even missed that ECU used their starter from game 1 in relief in game 7 yesterday.
Yeah and he gave up 4 earned runs, proving that it's not always the correct decision.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:31 am to RB10
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He was hardly upset that Jump was coming in
Lol I literally agreed with Lester saying that I wanted Ack to be sent back out. I was trying to be positive because people get too pissed when I say something remotely negative about a decision that is made.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:32 am to LSBoosie
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You just spent 2 page telling me how my examples weren't the "same scenario" specifically saying that it needed to be with 3 outs left.
Wrong. I specifically said game 7's when you're out of pitching.
You know, like when a coach puts a starter in on 3 days rest to throw 3+ innings of relief in a tight game.
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Not once did I say this.
You've been talking for pages that using starters in a relief role doesn't make sense. Don't backtrack now.
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Yeah and he gave up 4 earned runs, proving that it's not always the correct decision.
When it doesn't work out it's not the correct decision. What a fricking genius you are.
My entire point was coaches bring back game 1 starters in high leverage relief situations late in regionals all the time. Am I wrong?
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:33 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:33 am to LSBoosie
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Lol I literally agreed with Lester saying that I wanted Ack to be sent back out. I was trying to be positive because people get too pissed when I say something remotely negative about a decision that is made.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:39 am to FredbullTN
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Hindsight is 20/20 but it appears Lester and Boosies gut were correct.
Since we don’t know what Ack would have done, you could say they were correct; however, no one knows what would have happened if Ack would have remained in the game.
He could have struck out the sides, if given up a grand slam. No one will ever know.
And it’s not like Jump wasn’t a sound option he was. It’s not like Ack is done lights out closer either.
It’s baseball guys. A coach did his base to put his team in a position to win. Often it’s not clear cut. You play the odds and try to make the best decision at the time.
Ack isn’t Griffin Herring. He does strike out a lot of batters, but he has a penchant for walking batters and for giving up home runs. Ack doesn’t normally close; nor is he a good fielder. He has limitations.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:48 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:40 am to RB10
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Wrong. I specifically said game 7's when you're out of pitching.
You specifically said with 3 outs left. I even quoted it for you.
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You've been talking for pages that using starters in a relief role doesn't make sense. Don't backtrack now.
I said I didn't understand it when you reliever just struck 3 batters the previous inning. I acknowledged that starters are sometimes used in relief. I also said this:
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I would understand it if we had basically no one left, but that’s not the case.
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When it doesn't work out it's not the correct decision. What a fricking genius you are.
That's the whole fricking point dude. We are questioning the decision. The thread is titled "Why I would have stuck with Ack"
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My entire point was coaches bring back game 1 starters in high leverage relief situations late in regionals all the time. Am I wrong?
Literally no one said that this never happens.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:43 am to Lester Earl
Totally agree. In that situation you send Ack back out to start the 9th. Put a one batter leash on him if you want. You also don’t know how many innings you might need in a close game like that. If Ack even lightly struggles then bring Jump in to be the savior. Too heavy a coaching touch IMHO.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:44 am to RB10
Who said he was upset that Jump was coming in? One could have thought it was better to keep Ack in but still have been supportive of the coaches decision. Both can be true. You have a weird way of trying to prove points.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:59 am to LSBoosie
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Literally no one said that this never happens.
You spent the entire thread arguing that Jump shouldn't have come in because he's not used to high leverage situations. I have provided several examples of starters being used in relief in high leverage situations going back only 3 years.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:18 am to RB10
2 out, nobody on, last inning, then the bullshite "predetermined" pitch count. did u even watch the game. Last night, struck out the side, then removed.
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