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re: Why expanding beyond 4 teams in CFBP is...
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:31 am to champj3
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:31 am to champj3
Get rid of the rent a wins, shorten the regular season schedule and end up with.
Power 5 Champions and 3 at large. This way conference championships matter again.
1 SEC Champ
2 ACC Champ
3 Pac 12 Champ
4 Big Ten Champ
5 Big Twelve Champ
6 At Large
7 At Large
8 At Large
First round games should be played at the home field of the higher seed.
Power 5 Champions and 3 at large. This way conference championships matter again.
1 SEC Champ
2 ACC Champ
3 Pac 12 Champ
4 Big Ten Champ
5 Big Twelve Champ
6 At Large
7 At Large
8 At Large
First round games should be played at the home field of the higher seed.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 8:32 am
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:33 am to 225Tyga
This is a good start
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:35 am to Jp1LSU
quote:wow, this is just all kinds of wrong.
I think it should go back to two teams.
The stress it puts on a fan base to travel 3 times in one month in December/January is insane. A big part of what makes college football great is the sideshow, the atmosphere. In my opinion the national championship is borderline silly. Winning the SEC should be the trophy, a bowl game afterwards is just a showcase game played for some holiday fun.
Playoff formats should never be decided based on fans' travel schedules. Yes, seeding can take into account travel (for the teams), but the overall format should be to have the most appropriate number of deserving teams battle it out for the championship.
It's the way it's done in every other sport -- (and in all other NCAA football divisions too)
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:37 am to DCtiger1
quote:
Your argument is flawed. Expanding the playoffs would make the regular season MORE relevant for more teams.
Exponentially, so. A team like Auburn would see beating Georgia and Alabama as a pathway to winning an NC. Right now, they have no shot. Ditto Florida, Texas, Penn State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Memphis, Boise State, etc. These teams are playing for their playoff lives.
Some teams are going to lose this week and be eliminated from playoff contention. Not so, if we had an 8 or 16 team playoff. Every game that includes one of the above mentioned teams would have playoff implications.
I'd like to see a 16 team playoff where those top 2 from each of the power 5 conferences get in and have 6 at large bids, with no more than 3 of those going to Power 5 schools. I would also do away with the conference championship game.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 8:38 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:38 am to redfish99
I second this idea.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:42 am to champj3
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The playoffs actually begin in week one. Your entire body of work matters.
If this is a good idea, why don't we do it with basketball? Take the 4 highest ranked teams and have a playoff on a single weekend.
It would eliminate all the chatter about bubble teams, who has more work to do in order to get in, or which team has a worse loss or better win. AND everyone would be more productive at work...
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:47 am to champj3
5 but 4 and 5 play in for the last spot, do it on the higher seeds campus. Steeper slope as they would have three games to play in the CFP, Team 1 is rewarded with an extra game of film.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:48 am to ShermanTxTiger
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Someone will always cry about being left out. The number of teams is irrelevant.
People will cry, but not for long.
Look, in order for LSU to be left out of a 16 team playoff, we would have to have 3 losses. I for one would not be crying and saying we deserve to be in the field of 16 after 3 losses.
We may even have a case that we have a better team than say, a 2 loss Minnesota team that got in, but hey 3 losses is still 3 losses.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:49 am to Penrod
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It would make the last half of the season more relevant for a bunch of crappy teams.
Sure, if you expanded to 16 teams or more. Expanding to say, 8 teams wouldn't have that effect.
But what you would have to do is make SOS much more important which, in turn, would create better regular season matchups more akin to LSU v. Texas than Clemson v. Wofford.
Now, to be fair to Clemson, they did schedule A&M. But there is a very realistic chance Clemson could go undefeated and get in, while Oregon goes undefeated and gets left out because they opted to play Auburn at a neutral site. If that happens, I'm not scheduling a P5 non-conf. opponent again. Hell, (as of right now) Bama is still on the cusp of getting in despite playing an awful non-conf. schedule.
8 teams makes regular season scheduling more important (like is the case in basketball). But you would also need to get rid of conf. championship games
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:51 am to champj3
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Regular Season Matters
Alabama won it all in 2017 despite not winning their division and only having two top 25 wins (LSU and Mississippi State) going into the playoff.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:55 am to champj3
I totally agree with everything you said. That is why college football is better
Posted on 11/13/19 at 8:57 am to Jax-Tiger
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I would also do away with the conference championship game.
The conference championship makes too much money for the conferences for them to just do away with it.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:28 am to champj3
quote:.
the Saints loss on Sunday has no bearing on their season
Only because the rest of our division sucks this year and even still it very well may have cost us home field advantage in the playoffs... ask anyone in the AFC South if every game they play matters right now.
quote:
Next, as it stands for the most years winning your conference matters to being selected to the cfbp.
Except the one and sometimes two power 5 conference champions who win their conference and get left out every year. And the few times where a non-conference champ snuck its way in. And the times where a team can win every game they play and not win a championship, i mean what sport does that?? (this isn't just CFP fault but a result of the system as a whole; conference alignment, scheduling, etc...) It shouldn't be "most years it matters winning your conference championship", it should be for "all years"
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Also, If expanded to eight teams or more, it would have no impact.
That's just a dumb statement. Not saying i want 8 teams, but to say it wouldn't have an impact after giving reasons why it would have an impact is stupid.
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At the end of the day you will agree with my logic if you are a college football fan first and an nfl fan second. If you don’t, then I would argue that the reverse is true and it’s your mission to convert cfb to the nfl.
Haha nice "gate-keeping" there. "My opinion is right because i declared it so"
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:29 am to 225Tyga
quote:
Get rid of the rent a wins, shorten the regular season schedule and end up with.
Power 5 Champions and 3 at large. This way conference championships matter again.
1 SEC Champ
2 ACC Champ
3 Pac 12 Champ
4 Big Ten Champ
5 Big Twelve Champ
6 At Large
7 At Large
8 At Large
First round games should be played at the home field of the higher seed.
Probably the best scenario.
Although even with 8 teams, some may be slighted . UCF would've been in their undefeated season. So if you go to 16, no one can bitch. Yeah, the 16th seed has no chance to win it all, but it will make folks STFU.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:30 am to champj3
I totally agree with you about how important the regular season is in cf. But I believe it should expand to 6 with the higher seeds hosting until the neutral site championship. The first 2 seeds will remain VITAL due to the bye, while being the higher seed in each round is also important.Imagine LSU traveling to Ohio st. in dec because they are the lower seed. Having a 6 team playoff offers more access, but MAINTAINS the importance of regular season play,the best of both worlds.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:34 am to FrenchToast
quote:
So if you go to 16
Too many teams and extra games.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:39 am to champj3
Look at the top 8 teams. How is that NOT better for college football? More teams means more meaningful games during the regular and post season. Also, LSU can lose a game and still have a great chance to make the playoff.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:42 am to serge storms
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That’s easily fixed with a conference championship requirement.
This.
I'd even be fine with a 6 team playoff. The 5 P5 champions +1.
Keep rankings/committee/AP poll or whatever and 1 and 2 get byes so there's still that jockeying for position in the poles and it keeps a little of the "every game matters"
For the +1 either the best group of 5 or an at large bid (wild card).
Group of 5 is good because it doesn't let teams who didn't win their conference in, but an at large bid would give another shot for a team that is arguably one of the best 6 in the country (Alabama in this year's case) It depends on your view of whether teams who didn't win their conference should get another shot (they do in baseball and basketball and NFL)
PS F*** Notre Dame.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:44 am to champj3
Need room for byes
6 team playoff would be perfect
Top 2 get a bye and you must be a conference champ to be in top 2
Boom
Still have massive gravity on games playing for top 2 seeds
6 team playoff would be perfect
Top 2 get a bye and you must be a conference champ to be in top 2
Boom
Still have massive gravity on games playing for top 2 seeds
Posted on 11/13/19 at 9:44 am to 225Tyga
quote:
Too many teams and extra games.
It'd be 1 additional game for the two teams in the finals, if you eliminate conference championship games.
Division II and FCS both have more than 16 teams in their playoffs.
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