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re: Why doesn't LSU claim the 1962 national title??

Posted on 8/18/17 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by Chaseff
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2011
1165 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 2:32 pm to
Because USC won ut
Posted by Jacknola
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
4366 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:10 pm to
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The 1961 LSU Team can claim the NC but has not done it. The 1962 Team cannot claim it. The 1961 Team is listed as winning the NC.

What the...? This is ridiculous, LSU had NO claim in 1961. LSU was 10-1 and lost to Rice. Alabama was 11-0, were the SEC champions, won both UPI and AP polls and were consensus national champions in 1961, Bryant was both wire service coach of the year, etc.

LSU had NO claim in 1961. Google is your freaking friend.
Posted by ChollyMac62
Member since Aug 2017
97 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:15 pm to
I was curious as how someone said we should have claimed a title in 1961 one when in the back of my mind I knew Bear Bryant won one for Alabama?? College football was confusing back then with ranking champions !
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted by Jacknola
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
4366 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 3:28 pm to
It really wasn't that confusing... UPI (coaches) and AP had polls that determined NC .. before the bowl games which were regarded as exhibitions and treated as such. There were a couple of small polls and ranking systems that were not highly followed by that time.

1961 was Coach Bryant's first NC. It was consensus both AP and UPI. Ohio State was consensus second in 1961. LSU had a great year but lost to Rice and finished second in the SEC and 4th in the national polls.

Closest in polls was Ohio State which ran up the score in their last season game against Michigan, throwing the ball with 35 seconds left and going for two with time expired. Woody Hayes later got his azz kicked by Alabama.

Here is final AP poll from 1961.

1 < 1 Alabama (26) SEC 10-0 452 W 34-0 N Auburn
2 < 2 Ohio State (20) Big Ten 8-0-1 436
3 < 4 Texas Southwest 9-1 348
4 < 3 LSU (1) SEC 9-1 335
5 < 5 Mississippi (1) SEC 9-1 284
6 < 7 Minnesota Big Ten 7-2 225
7 < 6 Colorado Big 8 9-1 171
8 < 8 Michigan State Big Ten 7-2 128
9 < 9 Arkansas Southwest 8-2 105
10 < NR Utah State MSAC 9-0-1 33 DNP
11 < 10 Missouri Big 8 7-2-1 18
12 < NR Purdue Big Ten 6-3 15
13 < NR Georgia Tech SEC 7-3 12
14 < NR Syracuse Ind 7-3 11
15 < NR Rutgers MID3 9-0 9
16 < NR UCLA Pac-10 7-3 7
17 < NR Arizona Ind 8-1-1 5 W 22-13 A #0 Arizona State
17 < NR Penn State Ind 6-3 5
17 < NR Rice Southwest 7-3 5
20 < NR Duke ACC 7-3 4
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted by ChollyMac62
Member since Aug 2017
97 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 5:28 pm to
Yeah no telling how anyone thought we should have a 1961 NC title ?? I wonder how all of this ended up getting like this??
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
41807 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 9:26 pm to
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Yet I see Michigan claiming championships in 1901


Those "Point-a-minute' Teams were badass. They played Stanford in the first Rose Bowl and were leading 49-0 in the 3rd quarter when both teams agreed to stop the game.
Posted by Tiger79
Zachary
Member since Apr 2009
7542 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 3:51 am to
The 1903 season should be claimed for real, but LSU will never pursue it.
Posted by ImayGoLesMiles
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Feb 2015
13259 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 4:13 am to
Idk, that's great question. Everyone else seems to do it (ole miss, bama, etc...), so why not us? I saw it somewhere that we have 7 national titesx but we only claim 3 of them. Even on winsipedia it says we have 4 nattys. Idk what the deal is with that, but it's interesting.
Posted by Gumbo1
USAF
Member since Nov 2010
2541 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 5:57 am to
Because LSU is not bama and we don't claim National titles on a whim and did not win.
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
22657 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 7:17 am to
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Yeah no telling how anyone thought we should have a 1961 NC title ??


And you thought we should claim '62
Posted by Run Ultra
Member since May 2017
2212 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 7:21 am to
Posted by LCTFAN
New Iberia
Member since Mar 2013
2828 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 8:20 am to
In my opinion most titles prior to the BCS system are flawed and awarded by sports writers. No offense to the writers but the major markets dominate the voting and I am sure the teams awarded the title were very good but no way of really knowing the actual best teams.

Many years the #1 team played a weak schedule going undefeated while another team played 3 or 4 very good teams losing 1 game and out of the running.

The big Ten played the Pac team in the Rose bowl leaving out the whole country.

Why try to go there now
Posted by ElroyJetSon
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
4018 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 8:46 am to
Because we aren't full of shite like Bama
Posted by ChollyMac62
Member since Aug 2017
97 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:04 am to
No I just heard we might have won in 1962 I didn't necessarily know for sure
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
15216 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 9:50 am to
The correct answer is "because we're not Bama"
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 11:35 am to
Lsu claiming a championship in 1908 would be like Boise State claiming 2009. Sure, they had a good season, but they played weak competition and would have been crushed by Alabama or Texas. Likewise, Lsu would have crushed by Penn or Harvard in 1908. Remember, the Ivy teams were the powerhouses back then.
This post was edited on 8/19/17 at 11:36 am
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 11:37 am to
And yet Michigan never beat an East Coast powerhouse in that era. The point-a-minute thing is catchy, but they played weak competition in the Western conference (forerunner to the Big 10).
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
86645 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 11:39 am to
quote:

but I mean why not just claim 62 as a national title because look it was Charlie McClendons first year as LSU head football coach and we had a 9-1-1 record so why not??


because USC was 11-0 and finished ranked #1 in both polls...
This post was edited on 8/19/17 at 11:39 am
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34323 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 11:43 am to
Michigan lost to Penn in 1907 and 1908--the first time they faced an Ivy League team.

1901 Michigan team would have been soundly beaten by the Ivies, who were fielding professional players at that time.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
14882 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 12:01 pm to
I have criticized other schools including Ole Miss and Ala. for claiming bogus championships and 1962 would fall in to that category. 1908 would not. According to the rules that existed at the time, 1908 was legit.
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